I'm doing these emergency management training courses online for my job(and resume), and it seems like one of the things they emphasize the most is to not go to an emergency scene unless you are explicitly dispatched there. This really caught my attention since I remember reading about several policemen and firefighters who did just that during this tragedy and were overwhelmingly praised for their bravery by the journalists.

I suppose this is way different than most circumstances, but the method they want used pretty much drills into your head that you are not supposed to go to the scene unless explicitly dispatched. Maybe Bucky or someone else with public service experience could tell me why I'm(the training) wrong, but I just found it kind of funny that these people ended up being heroes(or talked about as such) were explicitly ignoring protocol.

Most of the courses have been pretty boring and straightforward so far, but it kind of goes into the chain of command that we use in any emergency situation and has given me a better appreciation for the efforts of all of the people involved in any kind of incident like this, especially on a larger scale.

I'm no emergency person, but in the case of bombings they may say that because terrorists will often have a 2nd bomb set to go off about the time emergency workers gets there. The 2nd bomb will often get more people than the first bomb because everyone rushes to help. If you are talking about a non-bomb situation, it may be because other emergencies are still likely to happen and they can't have all emergency people in one place.

/novice's opinion

I know that but an attack on that level may be an extenuating circumstance.

Well, briefly, (I may have a ptk-ish version later), half is necessity, and half is borrowed from the corporate word's vast overvaluation of management. Yes, there is a definite need for command and control at the scene of an emergency incident. And yes- depending on the exact incident, and regardless of what the textbooks (whose theories are rooted in middle managers) might tell you- it is possible to maintain proper controls over an incident with voluntary staff arriving uninvited.

more later...

The problem with command and control is that the leadership is almost always overfocused on control and is too little focused on command.

As for other first responders showing up unannounced, that ties in nicely with the statement above...too focused on control and too little on command. There's a band of tolerance between chaos and control...too much of either is problematic.

I recall reading that one problem during 9/11 was that pretty much all the emergency personnel in the city tried to get to WTC. This left the rest of the city pretty much unprotected.

thanks for the insight, guys. i figured it was something like that, but wanted some clarity. you can tell the people who made these online courses really have a boner for management. they repeat the same stupid details that seem rather mundane. "make sure you brief the person who relieves you", "don't go to a scene unless dispatched", etc...

also not very fond of memorizing these stupid titles they give everyone. the only question i might have got wrong on my test was what is the head of the "Operations branch". wish it wasn't multiple choice so i could have written in WGAFF.

More evidence that it isn't just men who are fubar.

http://shine.yahoo.com/healthy-living/b ... 27312.html

Since his arrest in April, 19-year-old Tsarnaev has grown into a bit of an online heartthrob, with supporters setting up special Twitter, Facebook and Tumblr pages in his honor, using the hashtag #freejahar. The fans declare his innocence, refer to him by his nickname of Jahar, write about how they wish they could get in touch with him (and, in one case, “curl up and take a nap” in his soft hair), publicize items like hand beaded “Free Jahar” bracelets, and note that he’s “beautiful,” “hot” and “too pretty to be guilty.” One Kansas teen even told the New York Post that she was going to get a Tsarnaev quote tattooed onto her arm, though she soon after changed her mind.

Women think he's hot? DIM what's your input?

these women need psychological help. seriously.

Monkeyboy wrote:More evidence that it isn't just men who are fubar.

http://shine.yahoo.com/healthy-living/b ... 27312.html

Since his arrest in April, 19-year-old Tsarnaev has grown into a bit of an online heartthrob, with supporters setting up special Twitter, Facebook and Tumblr pages in his honor, using the hashtag #freejahar. The fans declare his innocence, refer to him by his nickname of Jahar, write about how they wish they could get in touch with him (and, in one case, “curl up and take a nap” in his soft hair), publicize items like hand beaded “Free Jahar” bracelets, and note that he’s “beautiful,” “hot” and “too pretty to be guilty.” One Kansas teen even told the New York Post that she was going to get a Tsarnaev quote tattooed onto her arm, though she soon after changed her mind.

My wife was showing me this the other day. It's really beyond creepy, there are grown men offering rides to "free jahar rallies" to clearly underage girls on twitter, and lots of creepy guys appealing to one direction or Beiber fans via twitter to join this "cause". Bunch of weird fucks out there.

No comment.

Roger Dorn wrote:Women think he's hot? DIM what's your input?

i'm too lazy to go back and check... but i think he was into his older brother though.

how many of these people are "women" and not teenage girls

Similar to the whole Twilight phenomenon.

SK790 wrote:I'm doing these emergency management training courses online for my job(and resume), and it seems like one of the things they emphasize the most is to not go to an emergency scene unless you are explicitly dispatched there. This really caught my attention since I remember reading about several policemen and firefighters who did just that during this tragedy and were overwhelmingly praised for their bravery by the journalists.

I suppose this is way different than most circumstances, but the method they want used pretty much drills into your head that you are not supposed to go to the scene unless explicitly dispatched. Maybe Bucky or someone else with public service experience could tell me why I'm(the training) wrong, but I just found it kind of funny that these people ended up being heroes(or talked about as such) were explicitly ignoring protocol.

This is a staple of First Aid training. There's probably a different protocol for EMTs, police, firefighters, etc., but for a "good Samaritan" you're explicitly told to make sure the scene is secure before entering. Another thing you are told is to never enter a confined space if someone has fainted (i.e. they could be a dead "canary"). This is why it is ill-advised to criticize those who took pictures of the crime scene on their phones (especially considering that there were EMTs, etc. there and those pictures ultimately helped capture the brothers).

<----Trained in CPR and First Aid.

fwiw, those runners who didn't finish were given special codes for guaranteed registration for 2014

whew now i can sleep at night.

It's a good thing they whined enough in that horrible letter

FBI agents who eliminated Boston terrorist Tsarnaev mysteriously killed

not sure if this source is credible??