Personally, I couldn't care less if they captured him dead or alive or simply went in for the kill at some point. I just didn't think it was necessary or smart to shoot up a residential neighborhood for no reason, particularly if he was laying in the boat.

I'm not sure what purpose that served. Did the suspect at some point come out of the boat and pointed a gun at cops? If so, then I understand. But the guy can't even talk right now (while lying calmly in a hospital bed) because he's so weak. I can't imagine he had the strength to get out of the boat and climb back in.

Doll Is Mine wrote:If so, then I understand. But the guy can't even talk right now (while lying calmly in a hospital bed) because he's so weak. I can't imagine he had the strength to get out of the boat and climb back in.

Which of course they all knew at the time.

Wheels Tupay wrote:At the end of the day, the FBI dropped the ball and needs to be held accountable. They were tipped off by a foreign country (which seems to be Russia) and failed to do anything about it. They Féd up.

Maybe they did, I don't know. I imagine they get quite a few tips on people though. But if they can't actually tie them to something, what do you want them to do?

Doll Is Mine wrote:Personally, I couldn't care less if they captured him dead or alive or simply went in for the kill at some point. I just didn't think it was necessary or smart to shoot up a residential neighborhood for no reason, particularly if he was laying in the boat.

I'm not sure what purpose that served. Did the suspect at some point come out of the boat and pointed a gun at cops? If so, then I understand. But the guy can't even talk right now (while lying calmly in a hospital bed) because he's so weak. I can't imagine he had the strength to get out of the boat and climb back in.

Maybe they were blanks designed to create FUD? Maybe they were flash bombs? Who knows. I don't trust anything MSNBC or any other news agency says.

Trent Steele wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:Personally, I couldn't care less if they captured him dead or alive or simply went in for the kill at some point. I just didn't think it was necessary or smart to shoot up a residential neighborhood for no reason, particularly if he was laying in the boat.

I'm not sure what purpose that served. Did the suspect at some point come out of the boat and pointed a gun at cops? If so, then I understand. But the guy can't even talk right now (while lying calmly in a hospital bed) because he's so weak. I can't imagine he had the strength to get out of the boat and climb back in.

Maybe they were blanks designed to create FUD? Maybe they were flash bombs? Who knows. I don't trust anything MSNBC or any other news agency says.

The blanks argument, I would buy. Come to think of it, I vaguely remember someone reporting that they were blanks. That would make me feel much better.

Slowhand wrote:

Wheels Tupay wrote:At the end of the day, the FBI dropped the ball and needs to be held accountable. They were tipped off by a foreign country (which seems to be Russia) and failed to do anything about it. They Féd up.

Maybe they did, I don't know. I imagine they get quite a few tips on people though. But if they can't actually tie them to something, what do you want them to do?

yeah, it's WAY too early to jump to conclusions on this. There are oodles of reasons- economic, legal, civil liberties- why authorities can't unturn every stone concerning every tip they receive. At the end of the day they need to do some triage and focus on those which seem more likely to be credible.

Fwiw, if he literally can't communicate, then they legally don't need to read him his Miranda rights as there is no potential for self-incrimination. Once he's alert, they could read him his rights.

I'm really not sure why they didn't do it. It doesn't take long. If it's being questioned, chances are as soon as they grabbed him they asked him if there were any more bombs anywhere. At this point in time, I think they are well beyond the circumstances granting the public safety exception- where time is of the essence when obtaining information. So by now (or when they begin interrogation) they will mirandize him.

From what I read, authorities will have 48 hours to question him from the time they ask their first question. When the 48 hours are done, they have to read him his Miranda rights.

Squire wrote:FWIW, I think the decision to not read him his Miranda rights is pretty stupid tactically.

Attorneys here could answer better. But FWIU, this is only in extreme cases (as prev mentioned) of imminent danger/threat, and the questioning would be of a narrow scope (any more bombs planted/made, any accomplices, additional plots, etc.) because what he says can't be used in his trial. And once they're done with the imminent danger focused questions, he'll be Mirandized.

Sounds right to me. There are exigent type circumstances. Also, not mirandizing someone merely means you can't use what he says as evidence. They probably have plenty of evidence already. This sounds like not a big deal at all.

If it's not a big deal then I think they should do it. The ACLU is already raising their eyebrows. I don't see any benefit in not doing it.

Is he alert at this point? Maybe they haven't been able to question him at all yet.

Thermal imaging of jar-jar in da boat...






Robotic detarpification...





The boat is described as a 1980s pleasure boat. I'm not going to comment on that

He's been in America for like a decade watching cop shows and movies. I'm sure he *knows* his Miranda rights. Thus, its pointless not to read them to him. He's either going to talk or not. I'd rather be able to use whatever he says then have to worry about it getting bounced for falling outside of the exception.

“He was one of the nicest kids,” Chris Barry, a friend who had wrestled with Tsarnaev, told ABC News. “Every single time I saw him, he made sure to say hi.”

But Emily DeInnocentis, 23, said Tsarnaev came to her house for a party uninvited last fall and spread string cheese on the couch and took her cat upstairs for no reason, The Globe reported.

“We just didn’t invite him over after that,” she told the newspaper. “How many people just pick up your cat and go upstairs?”

Monster.

If douchebag is in the type of condition being reported (and has been essentially since he was captured), there is no point in a Miranda warning as he cannot possibly waive the rights. His public defender could probably drive a truck through that hole, i.e. my client was near death and had no real understanding as to what he was saying at the time or my client was so doped up on pain meds that he had no mental capacity to waive his rights. Assuming the dick doesn't die, he will certainly be "read his rights" at a time when it will matter AND count.

Is the ACLU as upset about the violation of the right of Krystle Campbell, Martin Richard or Lu Lingzi (not to mention the dozens of other casualties) to simply go watch a race in peace?

Slowhand wrote:

Bucky wrote:

td11 wrote:just gonna keep collecting the greatest hits here

Literal LOL. The phrase "try before you pry" is pretty much drilled into our heads during training (and beyond).

Firefighters are a bit more bright when it comes to these things.

They bring a ladder!

again, if they hadn't starting asking questions, I don't think the point about Miranda would even be being discussed at this point.

Phan In Phlorida wrote:Thermal imaging of jar-jar in da boat...




The boat is described as a 1980s pleasure boat. I'm not going to comment on that

at one point in the over-talking about it, Chris Matthews referred to the boat as a "canoe"