and the reason older tamerlane the older brother looked like he did:

He was handcuffed, unconscious, and in cardiac arrest, Dr. Schoenfeld said.

The trauma team put a breathing tube in the patient’s throat, Dr. Schoenfeld said, then cut open his chest to see if blood or other fluid was collecting around his heart. His handcuffs were removed at some point during the resuscitation attempt, he said, because “when the patient is in cardiac arrest and we’re doing all these procedures, we need to be able to move their arms around.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/20/us/bo ... wanted=all

just gonna keep collecting the greatest hits here

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/ ... ful-ending

the very last tweet at the bottom

At the end of the day, the FBI dropped the ball and needs to be held accountable. They were tipped off by a foreign country (which seems to be Russia) and failed to do anything about it. They Féd up.

td11 wrote:just gonna keep collecting the greatest hits here

Literal LOL. The phrase "try before you pry" is pretty much drilled into our heads during training (and beyond).

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... ion-group/

Is he a citizen?

Wheels Tupay wrote:At the end of the day, the FBI dropped the ball and needs to be held accountable. They were tipped off by a foreign country (which seems to be Russia) and failed to do anything about it. They Féd up.

That's very anti-libertarian of you.

I understand the relief people from Boston must feel, but why are they lining up and cheering like some Korean lynch mob. Im not sure I fully understand the methods used yesterday to capture the suspect but it seemed very, very extreme. I dunno, I hope i'm wrong on this.

bury me wrote:I understand the relief people from Boston must feel, but why are they lining up and cheering like some Korean lynch mob. Im not sure I fully understand the methods used yesterday to capture the suspect but it seemed very, very extreme. I dunno, I hope i'm wrong on this.

I particularly didn't understand why there was gunfire (so much of it) when the suspect was laying in a boat, wounded and bleeding to death. I initially thought that maybe he had shot back but last night, MSNBC reported that the gunshots were all coming from police.

The media tried to cover a little for the cops by saying that they don't know if the suspect was wounded by the gunshots that day. Well, that's not true because the witness who called the FBI saw blood on the tarp of his boat and the suspect laying inside. It was clear that he was shot the night before and bleeding to death.

FWIW, I think the decision to not read him his Miranda rights is pretty stupid tactically.

they didn't read him his miranda rights because he was in THAT much trouble.

Doll Is Mine wrote:

bury me wrote:I understand the relief people from Boston must feel, but why are they lining up and cheering like some Korean lynch mob. Im not sure I fully understand the methods used yesterday to capture the suspect but it seemed very, very extreme. I dunno, I hope i'm wrong on this.

I particularly didn't understand why there was gunfire (so much of it) when the suspect was laying in a boat, wounded and bleeding to death. I initially thought that maybe he had shot back but last night, MSNBC reported that the gunshots were all coming from police.

The media tried to cover a little for the cops by saying that they don't know if the suspect was wounded by the gunshots that day. Well, that's not true because the witness who called the FBI saw blood on the tarp of his boat and the suspect laying inside. It was clear that he was shot the night before and bleeding to death.

I have no idea what was extreme about what the cops did. They were operating under the assumption that he, like his brother, was wearing a suicide vest that he would detonate if cops came close enough. Who cares if he was bleeding. No one else was hurt. They didn't kill him. What is the problem?

really. no one died which is impossible to imagine. perfect handling of a lunatic.

a couple of things

1. no one has any idea right now, so assuming we know one way or the other what he had, didnt have, did, or didnt do is premature
2. we're talking about someone who helped plant two bombs in the middle of thousands of people. they understood explosives to some degree, and after the police lost him in the chase, they had no clue what he had in the car. he could have had packs of C4. he could have had nothing but a handgun. they didnt know. they didnt spot him running around on foot in watertown.
3. there is no way to know if he was bleeding from the night before. he probably was. but if he had serious wounds, and was wounded at 1am, i find it hard to believe that he survived, lying in a boat, bleeding out, for 16 hours. that would have been a tremendous amount of blood lost
4. again, the threat of explosives on him. they should have used all the force necessary.
5. i agree about him not being read his miranda rights being odd. but its legal, and they only do it in extreme circumstances. they couldnt know for sure if he had any other accomplices waiting to blow something else up should he be captured or killed. that is the reason they have the clause to allow the authorities to question him immediately without mirandizing him.

i know that in cases like this, its always more fun to look for conspiracy theories or crazy plans. but the simplest answer is normally the right answer. this is a guy who may have been mentally ill, who blew up innocent civilians 4 days earlier, and then went on social media and acted as if nothing happened. how can you possibly predict what he is going to do next. its easy to monday morning quarterback it safely from your couch, its less easy when you are 50 feet away and dont know whether the guy you cant see has strapped a shitload of explosives to his body, ready to kill himself, you, and everything around you

Bucky wrote:

td11 wrote:just gonna keep collecting the greatest hits here

Literal LOL. The phrase "try before you pry" is pretty much drilled into our heads during training (and beyond).

Firefighters are a bit more bright when it comes to these things.

Lock him in a room and send in McCarthy

Grotewold wrote:Lock him in a room and send in McCarthy

Safe and secure in your prison cell.

Squire wrote:FWIW, I think the decision to not read him his Miranda rights is pretty stupid tactically.

@ryanjreilly
#doj official says Miranda exemption will allow suspect to be questioned on "other potential explosive devices or accomplices."

"public safety exception." sounds smart i dunno

FTN wrote:a couple of things

1. no one has any idea right now, so assuming we know one way or the other what he had, didnt have, did, or didnt do is premature
2. we're talking about someone who helped plant two bombs in the middle of thousands of people. they understood explosives to some degree, and after the police lost him in the chase, they had no clue what he had in the car. he could have had packs of C4. he could have had nothing but a handgun. they didnt know. they didnt spot him running around on foot in watertown.
3. there is no way to know if he was bleeding from the night before. he probably was. but if he had serious wounds, and was wounded at 1am, i find it hard to believe that he survived, lying in a boat, bleeding out, for 16 hours. that would have been a tremendous amount of blood lost
4. again, the threat of explosives on him. they should have used all the force necessary.
5. i agree about him not being read his miranda rights being odd. but its legal, and they only do it in extreme circumstances. they couldnt know for sure if he had any other accomplices waiting to blow something else up should he be captured or killed. that is the reason they have the clause to allow the authorities to question him immediately without mirandizing him.

i know that in cases like this, its always more fun to look for conspiracy theories or crazy plans. but the simplest answer is normally the right answer. this is a guy who may have been mentally ill, who blew up innocent civilians 4 days earlier, and then went on social media and acted as if nothing happened. how can you possibly predict what he is going to do next. its easy to monday morning quarterback it safely from your couch, its less easy when you are 50 feet away and dont know whether the guy you cant see has strapped a shitload of explosives to his body, ready to kill himself, you, and everything around you

Agree with all this but I wouldn't have cared what they did to him as long as they stopped him and no one else got hurt in the process. At some point, his right to live is trumped by the right of the surrounding community to live. That line was crossed when he planted bombs in the middle of thousands of people, murdered a police officer, engaged in a 200 round firefight, and threw explosives at police from his carjacked SUV. The fact that he is alive is a reflection of the fact that the cops and FBI are better at their jobs than I would ever be.