Gimpy wrote:

Eddie Jordan wrote:That we equate someone getting high to using a gun to hurt another human being does not compute for me

I wasn't talking about the effects of the crime in question, I was talking about the effectiveness of the law in preventing it.

Napalm wrote:

Gimpy wrote:(I really don't want to turn this into a gun control debate, but...) Regarding gun laws, states with the strictest gun laws (California and New Jersey) have serious problems with gun violence. Connecticut is probably the third strictest gun control state in the country and that's where this tragedy happened. Criminals use guns illegally. Laws won't stop them.

Saying gun laws will prevent gun violence is like saying drug laws prevent people from getting high.

td posted a link earlier that i found interesting.

td11 wrote:feel free not to read this until tomorrow or next week or whenever, i'm just gonna post it now

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/won ... ed-states/

I dont know how many of these shooters had a criminal history, or if they would have gone through other means to acquire a gun, but even if you can prevent one massacre from happening, it would mean everything. Seems to me that some of these shooters arent hardened criminals and rather disturbed people with easy legal access to firearms, so that see that as an alternative and solution to their problems

That's a good and fair point, but the real problem creating these instances, as you and others have alluded to, is that there are just some exceptionally fucked up people in this world. When they decide that they're going to butcher a large group of innocents, they're going to find a way; whether it's a gun that's legal or illegal, a homemade bomb, driving their car through a crowd, or some other fucked up means that I can't even come up with. Getting rid of guns will do nothing to prevent things like this. There have been a lot of studies showing that gun control is actually counterproductive. Findings have suggested that smaller time criminals are more at ease with committing crimes when they're sure that the people they're robbing/assaulting won't be armed.

td11 wrote:

Gimpy wrote:(I really don't want to turn this into a gun control debate, but...) Regarding gun laws, states with the strictest gun laws (California and New Jersey) have serious problems with gun violence. Connecticut is probably the third strictest gun control state in the country and that's where this tragedy happened. Criminals use guns illegally. Laws won't stop them.

Saying gun laws will prevent gun violence is like saying drug laws prevent people from getting high.

drugs cannot be used to mass murder people, the harm is generally to the person themself.

european nations that have strict gun control have exceedingly low gun violence rates compared to us. a dude in china attacked a school today, also. He had a knife and wounded 20+ people but no one died

Pittfan03 wrote:If I was that Ryan Lanza guy, I'd be suing all the major news outlets for libel. Holy #$!&@.

Trent Steele wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:footage of ryan lanza in hand cuffs being led into the police station.

How much you want to bet his brother was involved in buying the guns for him?

kimbatiste wrote:

Pittfan03 wrote:If I was that Ryan Lanza guy, I'd be suing all the major news outlets for libel. Holy #$!&@.

And he will lose.

CalvinBall wrote:Ann Coulter @AnnCoulter 33m
I'M ON HANNITY RADIO RIGHT NOW! more guns, less mass shootings ...

Eddie Jordan wrote:is the guy in the woods thing legit?

Could just be a recluse

drsmooth wrote:

Eddie Jordan wrote:is the guy in the woods thing legit?

Could just be a recluse

the "woods" in the area right around the school is basically a number of trees you could count in a half-hour's time

you know those occasional 'islands' of trees between opposite-bound lanes of an interstate? that kind of "woods"

CalvinBall wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:footage of ryan lanza in hand cuffs being led into the police station.

How much you want to bet his brother was involved in buying the guns for him?

kimbatiste wrote:

Gimpy wrote:(I really don't want to turn this into a gun control debate, but...) Regarding gun laws, states with the strictest gun laws (California and New Jersey) have serious problems with gun violence. Connecticut is probably the third strictest gun control state in the country and that's where this tragedy happened. Criminals use guns illegally. Laws won't stop them.

Saying gun laws will prevent gun violence is like saying drug laws prevent people from getting high.

Also from that article (can't figure out how to post the map)

9. States with stricter gun control laws have fewer deaths from gun-related violence.

Last year, economist Richard Florida dove deep into the correlations between gun deaths and other kinds of social indicators. Some of what he found was, perhaps, unexpected: Higher populations, more stress, more immigrants, and more mental illness were not correlated with more deaths from gun violence. But one thing he found was, perhaps, perfectly predictable: States with tighter gun control laws appear to have fewer gun-related deaths. The disclaimer here is that correlation is not causation. But correlations can be suggestive:



“The map overlays the map of firearm deaths above with gun control restrictions by state,” explains Florida. “It highlights states which have one of three gun control restrictions in place – assault weapons’ bans, trigger locks, or safe storage requirements. Firearm deaths are significantly lower in states with stricter gun control legislation. Though the sample sizes are small, we find substantial negative correlations between firearm deaths and states that ban assault weapons (-.45), require trigger locks (-.42), and mandate safe storage requirements for guns (-.48).”

Pittfan03 wrote:

kimbatiste wrote:

Pittfan03 wrote:If I was that Ryan Lanza guy, I'd be suing all the major news outlets for libel. Holy #$!&@.

And he will lose.

Why? They plastered his name and photo all over the TV and websites saying he murdered 30 people. How would he lose?

Trent Steele wrote:Connecticut station reporting that the mother was killed at home, not at the school. If true, I'm even further confused.

kimbatiste wrote:

Pittfan03 wrote:

kimbatiste wrote:

Pittfan03 wrote:If I was that Ryan Lanza guy, I'd be suing all the major news outlets for libel. Holy #$!&@.

And he will lose.

Why? They plastered his name and photo all over the TV and websites saying he murdered 30 people. How would he lose?

1. Because no jury is going to make this guy rich based on his brother killing 30 people especially if he was involved in any way (which the fact that he is in custody would suggest)
2. My understanding is that these newspapers were just reporting what they were being told by the police. If that's case, no libel as it would typically be covered under the fair reporting privilege.

Eddie Jordan wrote:

drsmooth wrote:

Eddie Jordan wrote:is the guy in the woods thing legit?

Could just be a recluse

the "woods" in the area right around the school is basically a number of trees you could count in a half-hour's time

you know those occasional 'islands' of trees between opposite-bound lanes of an interstate? that kind of "woods"

oh, i see. where are you reading this btw, not hearing about it on CNN. might switch up my coverage