Gimpy wrote:

Eddie Jordan wrote:

Gimpy wrote:

Napalm wrote:The criminals that have guns like the ones you're referring to don't attack innocent people like that. They shoot at other criminals or people in shady dealings as retaliatory, and they're acquiring their guns illegally. Who was the last shooter to commit a spree that didn't purchase their weapons legally?

I said I wouldn't keep posting about it, but I severely doubt that all of the 60+ people that have been murdered in Camden this year have been criminals.

It's a process to get guns off the street, having laws in place to make it more difficult for citizens to acquire them legally doesn't change gun violence statistics overnight. It's a process, to remove gun ownership from the fabric of being an American citizen doesn't just happen instantaneously. You seem really hung up on Camden as a beacon for why gun laws are a failed attempt, If you'd like criminal activity reduction in Camden, the drug laws have a major impact. Felony drug charges for selling marijuana are insane. You put people in jail for selling weed in an area where it's really difficult to get ahead. You essentially ruin someones future for adapting to their surroundings and trying to survive.

I live close to Camden so it's an area I'm familiar with. Also, murders have spiked there this year and it took the number one spot in the country in regards to violent per capita. I don't really get what kind of "process" you're getting at to make it more difficult for citizens to legally acquire guns, especially when it's difficult to get guns in NJ in the first place.

td11 wrote:in gun related homicides, the rest of NJ is pretty middle of the pack (2.65 per 100K), whereas camden/philly area is 5thamong major metropolitan areas (7.8 per 100K)

CT as a state was at 1.40 per 100k

pacino wrote:

Gimpy wrote:

Eddie Jordan wrote:

Gimpy wrote:

Napalm wrote:The criminals that have guns like the ones you're referring to don't attack innocent people like that. They shoot at other criminals or people in shady dealings as retaliatory, and they're acquiring their guns illegally. Who was the last shooter to commit a spree that didn't purchase their weapons legally?

I said I wouldn't keep posting about it, but I severely doubt that all of the 60+ people that have been murdered in Camden this year have been criminals.

It's a process to get guns off the street, having laws in place to make it more difficult for citizens to acquire them legally doesn't change gun violence statistics overnight. It's a process, to remove gun ownership from the fabric of being an American citizen doesn't just happen instantaneously. You seem really hung up on Camden as a beacon for why gun laws are a failed attempt, If you'd like criminal activity reduction in Camden, the drug laws have a major impact. Felony drug charges for selling marijuana are insane. You put people in jail for selling weed in an area where it's really difficult to get ahead. You essentially ruin someones future for adapting to their surroundings and trying to survive.

I live close to Camden so it's an area I'm familiar with. Also, murders have spiked there this year and it took the number one spot in the country in regards to violent per capita. I don't really get what kind of "process" you're getting at to make it more difficult for citizens to legally acquire guns, especially when it's difficult to get guns in NJ in the first place.

you are more likely to be killed by your gun than you are to kill an intruder to your home. thems the facts. there's also this place called pennsylvania that's a little close to camden where you can buy any gun at any time at any gun show. you will find multiple dealers willing to sell you anything every weekend of the year in PA. thems also the facts.

the people actually living in cities like camden and reading largely disagree with you about needing tighter gun laws, fwiw.

NEWTOWN, Conn. (AP) -- Official: Ryan Lanza, Conn. gunman's brother, not believed to have any involvement in rampage.

Trent Steele wrote:

NEWTOWN, Conn. (AP) -- Official: Ryan Lanza, Conn. gunman's brother, not believed to have any involvement in rampage.

momadance wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:

NEWTOWN, Conn. (AP) -- Official: Ryan Lanza, Conn. gunman's brother, not believed to have any involvement in rampage.

Hope he sues everyone who published that. It's an absolute disgrace to ruin his life with zero research. His day was bad enough without that.

momadance wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:

NEWTOWN, Conn. (AP) -- Official: Ryan Lanza, Conn. gunman's brother, not believed to have any involvement in rampage.

Hope he sues everyone who published that. It's an absolute disgrace to ruin his life with zero research. His day was bad enough without that.

drsmooth wrote:this inspires me to want to systematically remove Mike Huckabee's flabby face from the rest of his head

what a profoundly god-damned dumbass

Trent Steele wrote:

drsmooth wrote:this inspires me to want to systematically remove Mike Huckabee's flabby face from the rest of his head

what a profoundly god-damned dumbass

He's a moron and an ass. I'm also what you would describe as extremely lapsed Catholic.

That said, having spent 12 years in Catholic schools, I'm ashamed to admit that something about what he said intrigues me. Is there a lower likelihood of these things happening where religious instruction is a key part of your education? Where you go to mass every week as part of school? Do these tragedies ever happen in Catholic/Hebrew/whatever schools in the US? Is there a reason why they don't that can be tied to religious teachings?

I don't know, man. Would be curious as to other Catholic school kids' thoughts on this.

pacino wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:

drsmooth wrote:this inspires me to want to systematically remove Mike Huckabee's flabby face from the rest of his head

what a profoundly god-damned dumbass

He's a moron and an ass. I'm also what you would describe as extremely lapsed Catholic.

That said, having spent 12 years in Catholic schools, I'm ashamed to admit that something about what he said intrigues me. Is there a lower likelihood of these things happening where religious instruction is a key part of your education? Where you go to mass every week as part of school? Do these tragedies ever happen in Catholic/Hebrew/whatever schools in the US? Is there a reason why they don't that can be tied to religious teachings?

I don't know, man. Would be curious as to other Catholic school kids' thoughts on this.

i don't know, it's not like my public school, never religious self ever felt like shooting anything up. i dont think it has anything to do with the school, but more your mental state.

Trent Steele wrote:

drsmooth wrote:this inspires me to want to systematically remove Mike Huckabee's flabby face from the rest of his head

what a profoundly god-damned dumbass

He's a moron and an ass. I'm also what you would describe as extremely lapsed Catholic.

That said, having spent 12 years in Catholic schools, I'm ashamed to admit that something about what he said intrigues me. Is there a lower likelihood of these things happening where religious instruction is a key part of your education? Where you go to mass every week as part of school? Do these tragedies ever happen in Catholic/Hebrew/whatever schools in the US? Is there a reason why they don't that can be tied to religious teachings?

I don't know, man. Would be curious as to other Catholic school kids' thoughts on this.