Eddie Jordan wrote:hey guys, I know this is a big Soren point, but we need to live in a place where it's ok to seek help for mental illness. Not enough details out there now, but the lack of understanding we often have for people that clearly should have been helped long long ago always hurts me. This guys actions are deplorable, but I hold out hope that he was so sick that he knew not what he was doing, I don't want to believe someone can be this evil by choice.

Some of you will interpret this as me sympathizing with the guy, I assure you I am not. We need a climate where it's ok to seek help. All I'm saying.

CalvinBall wrote:its pretty hard to look at pictures of this.

Gimpy wrote:(I really don't want to turn this into a gun control debate, but...) Regarding gun laws, states with the strictest gun laws (California and New Jersey) have serious problems with gun violence. Connecticut is probably the third strictest gun control state in the country and that's where this tragedy happened. Criminals use guns illegally. Laws won't stop them.

Saying gun laws will prevent gun violence is like saying drug laws prevent people from getting high.

Gimpy wrote:(I really don't want to turn this into a gun control debate, but...) Regarding gun laws, states with the strictest gun laws (California and New Jersey) have serious problems with gun violence. Connecticut is probably the third strictest gun control state in the country and that's where this tragedy happened. Criminals use guns illegally. Laws won't stop them.

Saying gun laws will prevent gun violence is like saying drug laws prevent people from getting high.

td11 wrote:feel free not to read this until tomorrow or next week or whenever, i'm just gonna post it now

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/won ... ed-states/

Gimpy wrote:(I really don't want to turn this into a gun control debate, but...) Regarding gun laws, states with the strictest gun laws (California and New Jersey) have serious problems with gun violence. Connecticut is probably the third strictest gun control state in the country and that's where this tragedy happened. Criminals use guns illegally. Laws won't stop them.

Saying gun laws will prevent gun violence is like saying drug laws prevent people from getting high.

Trent Steele wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

Eddie Jordan wrote:so was the Ryan Lanza facebook page actually the shooters brother?

Seems likely

How is he still posting on facebook if he's in custody?

jerseyhoya wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

Eddie Jordan wrote:so was the Ryan Lanza facebook page actually the shooters brother?

Seems likely

How is he still posting on facebook if he's in custody?

Maybe there are more brothers? Or he's a cousin with the same name? Seems kind of random to have someone the right age from the same relatively small town with the same name.

Eddie Jordan wrote:That we equate someone getting high to using a gun to hurt another human being does not compute for me

Napalm wrote:

Gimpy wrote:(I really don't want to turn this into a gun control debate, but...) Regarding gun laws, states with the strictest gun laws (California and New Jersey) have serious problems with gun violence. Connecticut is probably the third strictest gun control state in the country and that's where this tragedy happened. Criminals use guns illegally. Laws won't stop them.

Saying gun laws will prevent gun violence is like saying drug laws prevent people from getting high.

td posted a link earlier that i found interesting.

td11 wrote:feel free not to read this until tomorrow or next week or whenever, i'm just gonna post it now

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/won ... ed-states/

I dont know how many of these shooters had a criminal history, or if they would have gone through other means to acquire a gun, but even if you can prevent one massacre from happening, it would mean everything. Seems to me that some of these shooters arent hardened criminals and rather disturbed people with easy legal access to firearms, so that see that as an alternative and solution to their problems

Gimpy wrote:(I really don't want to turn this into a gun control debate, but...) Regarding gun laws, states with the strictest gun laws (California and New Jersey) have serious problems with gun violence. Connecticut is probably the third strictest gun control state in the country and that's where this tragedy happened. Criminals use guns illegally. Laws won't stop them.

Saying gun laws will prevent gun violence is like saying drug laws prevent people from getting high.

CalvinBall wrote:footage of ryan lanza in hand cuffs being led into the police station.

jerseyhoya wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

Eddie Jordan wrote:so was the Ryan Lanza facebook page actually the shooters brother?

Seems likely

How is he still posting on facebook if he's in custody?

Maybe there are more brothers? Or he's a cousin with the same name? Seems kind of random to have someone the right age from the same relatively small town with the same name.

kimbatiste wrote:

Gimpy wrote:(I really don't want to turn this into a gun control debate, but...) Regarding gun laws, states with the strictest gun laws (California and New Jersey) have serious problems with gun violence. Connecticut is probably the third strictest gun control state in the country and that's where this tragedy happened. Criminals use guns illegally. Laws won't stop them.

Saying gun laws will prevent gun violence is like saying drug laws prevent people from getting high.

Also from that article (can't figure out how to post the map)

9. States with stricter gun control laws have fewer deaths from gun-related violence.


Last year, economist Richard Florida dove deep into the correlations between gun deaths and other kinds of social indicators. Some of what he found was, perhaps, unexpected: Higher populations, more stress, more immigrants, and more mental illness were not correlated with more deaths from gun violence. But one thing he found was, perhaps, perfectly predictable: States with tighter gun control laws appear to have fewer gun-related deaths. The disclaimer here is that correlation is not causation. But correlations can be suggestive:





“The map overlays the map of firearm deaths above with gun control restrictions by state,” explains Florida. “It highlights states which have one of three gun control restrictions in place – assault weapons’ bans, trigger locks, or safe storage requirements. Firearm deaths are significantly lower in states with stricter gun control legislation. Though the sample sizes are small, we find substantial negative correlations between firearm deaths and states that ban assault weapons (-.45), require trigger locks (-.42), and mandate safe storage requirements for guns (-.48).”