Trent Steele wrote:If you have a child around 5 or can remember what your child was like at that age or just have spent time around kids of that age, it's just impossible to fathom how someone could do something like this.

Damn,. Hug your kids when you go home tonight.

my son's in his 20s

I still carry his 1st-grade picture in my wallet

he's at college; already talked to him, got weepy, for sure

Eddie Jordan wrote:hey guys, I know this is a big Soren point, but we need to live in a place where it's ok to seek help for mental illness. Not enough details out there now, but the lack of understanding we often have for people that clearly should have been helped long long ago always hurts me. This guys actions are deplorable, but I hold out hope that he was so sick that he knew not what he was doing, I don't want to believe someone can be this evil by choice.

Some of you will interpret this as me sympathizing with the guy, I assure you I am not. We need a climate where it's ok to seek help. All I'm saying.

That's cool and all and I agree with the general point, but I don't know. There's a special kind of person that can open fire on a class of five year olds or a movie theater full of people. In my entirely uneducated opinion, that goes beyond just mental illness. If the difference between you leading a normal life and killing a schoolroom full of children is some medication and therapy, my gut reaction is that I'd rather have you institutionalized/imprisoned/killed than try to help you.

Trent Steele wrote:

Eddie Jordan wrote:hey guys, I know this is a big Soren point, but we need to live in a place where it's ok to seek help for mental illness. Not enough details out there now, but the lack of understanding we often have for people that clearly should have been helped long long ago always hurts me. This guys actions are deplorable, but I hold out hope that he was so sick that he knew not what he was doing, I don't want to believe someone can be this evil by choice.

Some of you will interpret this as me sympathizing with the guy, I assure you I am not. We need a climate where it's ok to seek help. All I'm saying.

That's cool and all and I agree with the general point, but I don't know. There's a special kind of person that can open fire on a class of five year olds or a movie theater full of people. In my entirely uneducated opinion, that goes beyond just mental illness. If the difference between you leading a normal life and killing a schoolroom full of children is some medication and therapy, my gut reaction is that I'd rather have you institutionalized/imprisoned/killed than try to help you.

killed?.. and they wouldn't get a say in this?

I'm in my car to pick up notsogrizzledrookie from an after school event. He's in 11th grade. I didn't want him on the bus this afternoon. I feel the need to keep him close.

Eddie Jordan wrote:so was the Ryan Lanza facebook page actually the shooters brother?

Seems likely

pretty much everyone reporting now that adam lanza is the shooter and his brother ryan is in custody.

Carter is 6, 1st grade. I was in his school yesterday for parent-teacher conference. sat in those ridiculously small little chairs across from his amazing teacher. i like many feel this hits closer to home than any other of these endless tragedies. this tops them all. I've never been so immediately outraged. this is too much. My mom teaches at Trenton High where they stopped that kid from shooting it up last week or so, then the mall shooting in Oregon, then the Septa El shooting in West Philly - a stop I pass every day.
i really don't know how to go on anymore. this world is a fucking cesspool.

that seems like a pretty big fuck up

bury me wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:

Eddie Jordan wrote:hey guys, I know this is a big Soren point, but we need to live in a place where it's ok to seek help for mental illness. Not enough details out there now, but the lack of understanding we often have for people that clearly should have been helped long long ago always hurts me. This guys actions are deplorable, but I hold out hope that he was so sick that he knew not what he was doing, I don't want to believe someone can be this evil by choice.

Some of you will interpret this as me sympathizing with the guy, I assure you I am not. We need a climate where it's ok to seek help. All I'm saying.

That's cool and all and I agree with the general point, but I don't know. There's a special kind of person that can open fire on a class of five year olds or a movie theater full of people. In my entirely uneducated opinion, that goes beyond just mental illness. If the difference between you leading a normal life and killing a schoolroom full of children is some medication and therapy, my gut reaction is that I'd rather have you institutionalized/imprisoned/killed than try to help you.

killed?.. and they wouldn't get a say in this?

I'm not really trying to create a workable policy here. Just making a point about people with the capability of murdering roomfuls of five year olds (as opposed to say, people capable of killing themselves due to mental illness), who, I would note, didn't have much of a say today in regards to their death.

This is beyond anything I can grasp. 20 kindergarten kids...I don't even know if I want kids if they can be taken so young that easily.

its pretty hard to look at pictures of this.

jerseyhoya wrote:

Eddie Jordan wrote:so was the Ryan Lanza facebook page actually the shooters brother?

Seems likely

How is he still posting on facebook if he's in custody?

This is sickening. It's also really annoying to see so many people on facebook using the tragedy as a way to further agendas "we need Jesus in schools" or "we need stricter gun laws."

and as a parent - it sometimes feels like you spend your whole being just keeping your kid alive. nursing them through sickness, feeding them, clothing them, loving them, teaching them, sending them to school and picking them up, etc etc etc. and then something like this can happen in the blink of an eye by one person. it's beyond words.

Trent Steele wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

Eddie Jordan wrote:so was the Ryan Lanza facebook page actually the shooters brother?

Seems likely

How is he still posting on facebook if he's in custody?

must have The Chip implant

Gimpy wrote:This is sickening. It's also really annoying to see so many people on facebook using the tragedy as a way to further agendas "we need Jesus in schools" or "we need stricter gun laws."

agree with the gist of this, but one is not like the other

Gimpy wrote:This is sickening. It's also really annoying to see so many people on facebook using the tragedy as a way to further agendas "we need Jesus in schools" or "we need stricter gun laws."

Latter seems a lil more reasonable to say than the former

Gimpy wrote:This is sickening. It's also really annoying to see so many people on facebook using the tragedy as a way to further agendas "we need Jesus in schools" or "we need stricter gun laws."

one of these is a real world solution

Trent Steele wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

Eddie Jordan wrote:so was the Ryan Lanza facebook page actually the shooters brother?

Seems likely

How is he still posting on facebook if he's in custody?

i don't think thats him, just someone with the same name.

apparently he shot one of his brothers dead, and his other brother was found in the woods near the school.

lots of misinformation out there though

Eddie Jordan wrote:

Gimpy wrote:This is sickening. It's also really annoying to see so many people on facebook using the tragedy as a way to further agendas "we need Jesus in schools" or "we need stricter gun laws."

one of these is a real world solution

yes, both are connected.