Barry Jive wrote:Catholic school kids generally go to catholic school because of at least one of the following reasons:

1) their parents give a #$!&@ where they go to school
2) their parents want to and conceivably are able to pay for their kids to go to what they perceive to be a better school
3) they want their kids to not just get an education, but to be a part of a community

There are probably more reasons than those three but that's just off the top of my head.

pacino wrote:

Barry Jive wrote:Catholic school kids generally go to catholic school because of at least one of the following reasons:

1) their parents give a #$!&@ where they go to school
2) their parents want to and conceivably are able to pay for their kids to go to what they perceive to be a better school
3) they want their kids to not just get an education, but to be a part of a community

There are probably more reasons than those three but that's just off the top of my head.

hmm, good points. it's much like what i always say about why gay parents are so good...because it's COMPLETELY voluntary for them to have kids. it's completely voluntary to put your kids in a private school, so you are obviously going to, on average, give a little more about the education they receive.

Pittfan03 wrote:



I agree with a lot of this.

pacino wrote:man, just watched the obama video. i didnt realize he cried. i guess he thought of those kids then thougth of his kids. this is rough on me and i dont even have kids. i have no idea how you guys with kids feel right now. i have NO idea how those parents feel that lost kids. and the adults, too.

mozartpc27 wrote:I kind of want to post, "Sometimes the best thing is to keep quiet and listen" on my Facebook profile, but I've decided that even that is too much. There are days when I think pretty much everybody knowing how to read and write isn't such a great thing after all.

Bill McNeal wrote:My wife and I were at my sons school for a Christmas concert at about the time the news of the shooting broke. We didn't hear about it until we got home and flipped on the news, just wanted to go right back to his school and pick him up. We did both to get him at the end of the day today, it was pretty amazing how many other cars in the car line to pick up their kids had both parents. Everyone just wanted to get their little ones, when you see new like this you just can't help but imagine "what if that was my kid".

A good friend of my brother's was one of the vt victims, I remember when that happened, hearing that a gunman was shooting up the campus we were all worried about mike. You worry about your friends, but think what are the odds and then you find out that its someone you know well and it just crushes you. I feel for those parents and families in Connecticut, just a senseless horrible tragedy. May those kids rest in peace, I hope that they went peacefully and didn't have a chance to be scared.

PhillieMooDo wrote:

pacino wrote:

Barry Jive wrote:Catholic school kids generally go to catholic school because of at least one of the following reasons:

1) their parents give a #$!&@ where they go to school
2) their parents want to and conceivably are able to pay for their kids to go to what they perceive to be a better school
3) they want their kids to not just get an education, but to be a part of a community

There are probably more reasons than those three but that's just off the top of my head.

hmm, good points. it's much like what i always say about why gay parents are so good...because it's COMPLETELY voluntary for them to have kids. it's completely voluntary to put your kids in a private school, so you are obviously going to, on average, give a little more about the education they receive.

Not so sure I agree with this...for a lot of parents, sending your kids to a private/parochial school is just "what you do" , sometimes to the detrement of the education being received.

Pretty much every kid I went to grade school with wishes we had been at the public school next door. Those kids were getting a real education (enrichment, support, the works) while we were learning fiction taught as fact.

And plenty of public school parents "give a #$!&@" about where their children attend, that's why good school districts can help sell homes.

Recovering catholic here, and I'll say, with more than a little bias, that (at least in the eighties) catholic schools were #$!&@. They may have turned it around somewhat, but that's probably due to parents actually starting to understand and care about what's important in education, and forcing changes within those schools.

As for this story - my heart is absolutely sick. Just wish there was any "anwer" to this senselessness that we're seeing far too often lately. I don't have kids (want them), but I couldn't help but get choked up while watching this coverage. The suffering for about 20 sets of parents today is about as unimaginable as can be possible. Right before Christmas, gifts probably bought and wrapped...goddam. I'm getting worked up again, and I already went to the gym to "lift out" my anger. Don't think my joints can handle a round two.

mozartpc27 wrote:This is my "friend's" post: 'A guy walking into an elementary school and shooting 20 children does nothing to make humanity look bad; only himself. Every asshat turning it into a political opportunity to push their own agenda does though, even if that agenda is simply "look at me, I cry about children."'

I really want to reply: "Sometimes, in our bids we are smarter than everybody else, we miss the human side of things. Wouldn't you agree?"

But I figure I am only feeding the stupid factory if I do that.

Trent Steele wrote:

pacino wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:

drsmooth wrote:this inspires me to want to systematically remove Mike Huckabee's flabby face from the rest of his head

what a profoundly god-damned dumbass

He's a moron and an ass. I'm also what you would describe as extremely lapsed Catholic.

That said, having spent 12 years in Catholic schools, I'm ashamed to admit that something about what he said intrigues me. Is there a lower likelihood of these things happening where religious instruction is a key part of your education? Where you go to mass every week as part of school? Do these tragedies ever happen in Catholic/Hebrew/whatever schools in the US? Is there a reason why they don't that can be tied to religious teachings?

I don't know, man. Would be curious as to other Catholic school kids' thoughts on this.

i don't know, it's not like my public school, never religious self ever felt like shooting anything up. i dont think it has anything to do with the school, but more your mental state.

Yeah, I'm not suggesting but for causation or anything like that. More like a religious value system/fear of God/fear of Hell that acts as a backstop.

CalvinBall wrote:

Bill McNeal wrote:My wife and I were at my sons school for a Christmas concert at about the time the news of the shooting broke. We didn't hear about it until we got home and flipped on the news, just wanted to go right back to his school and pick him up. We did both to get him at the end of the day today, it was pretty amazing how many other cars in the car line to pick up their kids had both parents. Everyone just wanted to get their little ones, when you see new like this you just can't help but imagine "what if that was my kid".

A good friend of my brother's was one of the vt victims, I remember when that happened, hearing that a gunman was shooting up the campus we were all worried about mike. You worry about your friends, but think what are the odds and then you find out that its someone you know well and it just crushes you. I feel for those parents and families in Connecticut, just a senseless horrible tragedy. May those kids rest in peace, I hope that they went peacefully and didn't have a chance to be scared.

What was his name? The VT victim.

pacino wrote:

PhillieMooDo wrote:

pacino wrote:

Barry Jive wrote:Catholic school kids generally go to catholic school because of at least one of the following reasons:

1) their parents give a #$!&@ where they go to school
2) their parents want to and conceivably are able to pay for their kids to go to what they perceive to be a better school
3) they want their kids to not just get an education, but to be a part of a community

There are probably more reasons than those three but that's just off the top of my head.

hmm, good points. it's much like what i always say about why gay parents are so good...because it's COMPLETELY voluntary for them to have kids. it's completely voluntary to put your kids in a private school, so you are obviously going to, on average, give a little more about the education they receive.

Not so sure I agree with this...for a lot of parents, sending your kids to a private/parochial school is just "what you do" , sometimes to the detrement of the education being received.

Pretty much every kid I went to grade school with wishes we had been at the public school next door. Those kids were getting a real education (enrichment, support, the works) while we were learning fiction taught as fact.

And plenty of public school parents "give a #$!&@" about where their children attend, that's why good school districts can help sell homes.

Recovering catholic here, and I'll say, with more than a little bias, that (at least in the eighties) catholic schools were #$!&@. They may have turned it around somewhat, but that's probably due to parents actually starting to understand and care about what's important in education, and forcing changes within those schools.

As for this story - my heart is absolutely sick. Just wish there was any "anwer" to this senselessness that we're seeing far too often lately. I don't have kids (want them), but I couldn't help but get choked up while watching this coverage. The suffering for about 20 sets of parents today is about as unimaginable as can be possible. Right before Christmas, gifts probably bought and wrapped...goddam. I'm getting worked up again, and I already went to the gym to "lift out" my anger. Don't think my joints can handle a round two.

i didnt mean to insinuate public school parents dont give a crap. sorry. my parents certainly did.