NLDS Game 4: The Fourth Game 10/12/09

by **philliesphhan** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 18:12:58

Bucky wrote:
Phan In Phlorida wrote:
drsmooth wrote:moot point, but tell me fowler's left hand did not touch utley going over him

you can see it from the infield side replay, and from behind 1st base

Forgivable since the umpire wasn't really in position to see it (IIRC, the ump was on the shortstop side of the infield grass, in position to call a play at 2B). What isn't forgivable is the broadcasters not even mentioning it, considering how they harped about the Utley IF single yesterday.

Actually, the MLB video clips package that BigEd posted on the last page shows that he didn't touch Utley at all. Great view from Center field.

There's a picture online with his hand on Utley's shoulder

by **Woody** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 18:17:34

Why is this an issue? He wouldn't be out if he grazed Utley's shoulder-- utley has to tag him, right?

by **philliesphhan** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 18:20:40

I think you can't make contact with a fielder while he's trying to field the ball

by 1 » Tue Oct 13, 2009 18:21:46

i'd like to hear from yormet torremetsba

by **philliesphhan** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 18:23:18

One of the invisible owners

John S. Middleton

by **CalvinBall** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 18:24:42

i cant see him

by **Barry Jive** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 18:30:11

I wonder if that's where Werth got his cigar. I wonder if the dude makes anything besides Black and Milds.

by **Woody** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 18:34:01

philliesphhan wrote:I think you can't make contact with a fielder while he's trying to field the ball

that would be a pretty weak interference call, and I'm not even sure it would be one since Utley may have already had the ball in his possession when Fowler jumped over him.

Also, he never touched him:

by **mcare89** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 18:54:36

philliesphhan wrote::shock: One of the invisible owners

John S. Middleton

Wha, wha, wha?

Not only is Middleton alive, he's not fossilized, and he actually flew to Colorado to watch the game?

I like him.

by **kimbatiste** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 18:58:42

Isn't he the one who supposedly cares?

by **mcare89** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 19:01:12

kimbatiste wrote:Isn't he the one who supposedly cares?

I believe so, yes.

by **lethal** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 19:04:24

mcare89 wrote:
kimbatiste wrote:Isn't he the one who supposedly cares?

I believe so, yes.

He owns Macintosh Inns or something, right?

by **Barry Jive** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 19:05:27

He wants to spend lots of money and win lots of games. Apparently he's the fifth generation owner of one of his companies, and he's a Philadelphia native.

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 19:06:11

lethal wrote:
mcare89 wrote:
kimbatiste wrote:Isn't he the one who supposedly cares?

I believe so, yes.

He owns Macintosh Inns or something, right?

He sold his family's cigar business to Phillip Morris for like over $2B. This is probably why he keeps a low profile.

by **lethal** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 19:06:20

lethal wrote:
mcare89 wrote:
kimbatiste wrote:Isn't he the one who supposedly cares?

I believe so, yes.

He owns Macintosh Inns or something, right?

Nevermind, he owned a cigar company that Philip Morris (now Altria) bought.

by **lethal** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 19:11:04

lethal wrote:
lethal wrote:
mcare89 wrote:
kimbatiste wrote:Isn't he the one who supposedly cares?

I believe so, yes.

He owns Macintosh Inns or something, right?

Nevermind, he owned a cigar company that Philip Morris (now Altria) bought.

And he still heads the family business, which does own McIntosh Inns.

by **JFLNYC** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 19:19:11

Conlin article on Middleton

by **Marion** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 20:06:10

Lidge: "Who the hell is this guy?"

by **philliesphhan** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 20:24:52

Interference calls in general can be pretty stupid. The only wording in the rulebook is you can't hinder a fielder from making a play on a batted ball. I'd say jumping over him would qualify, but I imagine it's also up to the umpire's interpretation.

I need Bucky's ruling on this.

by **PTOITWCFTPP** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 20:59:01

Legend

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