It's Done? Roy Halladay traded to Phils, Lee (?) to Mariners

by **Squire** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 18:59:31

I'm 3B prospect obsessed so I kinda like 3B Matt Mangini who put up a .763 OPS in AA the year after he was drafted.

SQUIRE

by **JFLNYC** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 18:59:43

kimbatiste wrote:
FTN wrote:If we got Morrow in the deal, I'll dance in the streets.

People are panicking and we STILL know NOTHING

How would you use Morrow ... set-up or rotation?

He's your future closer.

by **S2D** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 18:59:54

Trent Steele wrote:
FTN wrote:
S2D wrote:Great. The rookie GM in Toronto just played the game and beat the crap out of the Phillies when they blinked.

should we concede 2010 and beyond? I vote yes.

seriously

stfu already with your whining

They're not better next year. The Blue Jays had to trade Halladay, and he was arguably just as obtainable in free agency. He had a FNTC and was blocking basically every team except LA and Philadelphia. Ruben bent them over badly in the Summer, yet they still demand and get top prospects when they trade him finally to the Phillies. Unbelievable.

by **Doll Is Mine** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 19:00:46

How is that kid Tuifnel (sp)?

by **Wizlah** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 19:00:46

JFLNYC wrote:My Scratch Pad V4:

To SEA: Lee

To TOR: Aumont, Taylor, D'Arnaud

To PHI: Halladay + 2 SEA Prospects + Cash

From Phillies perspective: Lee, Taylor & D'Arnaud for Halladay + 2 SEA Prospects & Cash.

Keep Happ, Drabek & Brown.

The more I look at that, the more I can live with it. It's not the steal we were hoping for, but combined with the extension, next best thing, especially given that we're not losing drabek and brown.

by **Trent Steele** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 19:01:42

you know what I like?

2010: Halladay/Hamels
2011: Halladay/Hamels
2012: Halladay/Hamels

by **PTOITWCFTPP** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 19:01:51

Wizlah wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:My Scratch Pad V4:

To SEA: Lee

To TOR: Aumont, Taylor, D'Arnaud

To PHI: Halladay + 2 SEA Prospects + Cash

From Phillies perspective: Lee, Taylor & D'Arnaud for Halladay + 2 SEA Prospects & Cash.

Keep Happ, Drabek & Brown.

The more I look at that, the more I can live with it. It's not the steal we were hoping for, but combined with the extension, next best thing, especially given that we're not losing drabek and brown.

It's not as bad as it seemed about an hour ago. I can live with this, but i'm curious to see what kind of extension Doc is going to get. Stark is implying that it's a nice deal for the Phils, whereas i've heard 5 years, 100 mil thrown around also.

by 1 » Mon Dec 14, 2009 19:02:04

espnews saying brown is a 22-yo catcher

by **Monkeyboy** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 19:02:12

I'll probably be the only person that thinks this, but Ruben just got owned, if that's the deal. We basically gave up Lee and a few of our best prospects, including one guy (Taylor) who I think will be very very good and could help this year if there's an injury. And we did all of this to get Halladay, who we may have been able to sign after 2010 for the cost of a draft pick. If the guy loves the Phils and living in Clearwater, I don't see any reason why we wouldn't have been his top choice.

His Smugness is vastly overrated on this board. Other than a pretty stellar trade for Lee, he's been somewhere between mediocre and bad.

by **FTN** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 19:02:26

They are better. Halladay is a better pitcher than Lee.

Morrow
JC Ramirez
Moore
Mario Martinez
Pineda
Kelley
Hensley (Elon alum!)
Mangini

by **JFLNYC** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 19:02:27

My Scratch Pad V5:

To SEA: Lee

To TOR: Aumont, Taylor, D'Arnaud

To PHI: Halladay + Morrow + Moore + Cash

From Phillies perspective: Lee, Taylor & D'Arnaud

for

Halladay + Morrow + Moore + Cash.

Keep Happ, Drabek & Brown.

by **dajafi** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 19:03:22

Not seeing what the big deal is with Morrow. His '09 numbers are almost a ringer for Durbin's... granted he's 24, but in that division/home park it wasn't a great year. 99 ERA+

by **FTN** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 19:03:33

Doll Is Mine wrote:How is that kid Tuifnel (sp)?

He was aggressively promoted, then missed almost all of 2009 with an injury. Hes all projection, and is likely not going to stick at SS, but will be ok at 3B I think. Could be Hanley Ramirez lite, or never make it past AAA

by **Wizlah** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 19:04:09

Trent Steele wrote:you know what I like?

2010: Halladay/Hamels
2011: Halladay/Hamels
2012: Halladay/Hamels

that's a vintage which ages well.

by **FTN** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 19:04:12

dajafi wrote:Not seeing what the big deal is with Morrow. His '09 numbers are almost a ringer for Durbin's... granted he's 24, but in that division/home park it wasn't a great year. 99 ERA+

He throws 99 mph and can hold it in the 96-97 range late in games as a starter.

His problem is he's been jerked around between roles for 2 years, and his secondary pitches havent emerged yet.

by **PTOITWCFTPP** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 19:04:56

Salisbury just guessed on CSN that Drabek is the one to go

by **HillMD** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 19:05:15

S2D wrote:
Trent Steele wrote:
FTN wrote:
S2D wrote:Great. The rookie GM in Toronto just played the game and beat the crap out of the Phillies when they blinked.

should we concede 2010 and beyond? I vote yes.

seriously

stfu already with your whining

They're not better next year. The Blue Jays had to trade Halladay, and he was arguably just as obtainable in free agency. He had a FNTC and was blocking basically every team except LA and Philadelphia. Ruben bent them over badly in the Summer, yet they still demand and get top prospects when they trade him finally to the Phillies. Unbelievable.

Relax. We don't know what the trade is yet. Lee could be horrible next year for all we know. I'd hold off before flipping out after getting the second best pitcher in baseball.

by **dsc25** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 19:05:36

PTOITWCFTPP wrote:Salisbury just guessed on CSN that Drabek is the one to go

News by admitted guessing. Lovely.

by **JFLNYC** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 19:05:38

dajafi wrote:Not seeing what the big deal is with Morrow. His '09 numbers are almost a ringer for Durbin's... granted he's 24, but in that division/home park it wasn't a great year. 99 ERA+

He got jerked around by the M's last year; back and forth from rotation and bullpen. In 2008 as almost exclusively a reliever, 5.6 H/9 and 10.4 K/9.

by **Trent Steele** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 19:05:40

PTOITWCFTPP wrote:Salisbury just guessed on CSN that Drabek is the one to go

good job this morning, jim. you can go home now. you're out of your league

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