It's Done? Roy Halladay traded to Phils, Lee (?) to Mariners

by **FTN** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 18:49:41

I want MORROW

by **Mountainphan** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 18:49:47

JFLNYC wrote:
FTN wrote:
ek wrote:
BigB wrote:CO worker in Seatle is saying Blanton to Seattle, Aumont and Moore to the Blue Jays along with Happ and Drabek. Halladay and cash to the Phillies

yikes

Id do that in a second.

Blanton's not going to fetch both Aumont and Moore, right?

My Scratch Pad V3:

To SEA: Blanton

To TOR: Aumont, Taylor, D'Arnaud, Happ

To PHI: Halladay + Reliever + Cash

From Phillies perspective: Blanton, Happ, Taylor & D'Arnaud for Hallday, Reliever & Cash.

Keep Lee, Drabek & Brown.

I'd love that, but don't think that will happen.

by **andyb** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 18:49:51

FTN wrote:
andyb wrote:Triunfel would be a nice piece for the Phillies to acquire. Very young for his level, so it is hard to project his offense. Not the fielder that Galvis is but more offensive potential. Should be at AA next year at age 20 even though he missed much of last year with an injury.

Hes also got major attitude issues, I doubt Ruben wants in on that.

Did not realize the attitude issues. But if Toronto really wants Brown, getting some value back in a AA/AAA infield prospect would make lots of sense for the Phillies. To be honest, OF is a position where we have several layers of prospects and we might always re-sign Victorino or Werth. Makes sense to deal an OF and get back a SS if that is a byproduct.

by **Monkeyboy** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 18:50:00

We're going to regret losing Taylor, imho.

by **CalvinBall** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 18:50:03

i like seattle prospects... and like giving taylor instead of brown.

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 18:50:04

mcare89 wrote:FYI: Stark to be on ESPN950 in 5 minutes.

Missanelli is reporting this on the scratch-pad from somewhere:

Phillies get: Halladay and two M's prospects
Blue Jays get: Aumont, Taylor, and Travis D'Arnaud
Mariners get: Lee

Depending on who the Mariner prospects coming here are, I think I'd be ok with that.

That's the most true-sounding thing I've heard all day, for whatever that is worth.

Still not a fan of dealing Lee AND prospects to get Halladay. Truth be told, I'd rather have Taylor than Victorino at this point, and I think Brown and Drabek should be untouchable in this deal, since Toronto is screwed on this anwyay. I can understand moving Lee to get the necessary prospects since we'd be barring our big 3 from the deal, but if the Phillies move Lee they shouldn't move any of Happ, Taylor, Brown, or Drabek; otherwise, it takes two steps backward to move one forward.

But it sounds like that is exactly what happened. Can't imagine Seattle gets in on this - and it's clear they are in on it - to get Blanton by himself, and I don't think it's Blanton AND Victorino either (which I think would make some sense for them).

So, sounds like the Blue Jays ended up beating Rube after all.

by **BigB** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 18:50:06

CalvinBall wrote:yea on a sportsnite preview they said there was something that was not done yet and it may hold up the deal.

Well sure they are saying its not done yet, the teams have not announced it. Too much smoke for this one for their not to be fire. I can't believe non of these so called reporters have got all the players in the deal yet

by **mcare89** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 18:50:19

FTN wrote:I want MORROW

That would be beyond fantastic.

by **phorever** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 18:50:21

FTN wrote:
ek wrote:
BigB wrote:CO worker in Seatle is saying Blanton to Seattle, Aumont and Moore to the Blue Jays along with Happ and Drabek. Halladay and cash to the Phillies

yikes

Id do that in a second.

ummm.... unless that leaves enough cash to sign pedro, that looks problematic to me.
we do need to have somebody pitching on days four and five.
is halladay+moyer+kendrick > blanton+happ+pedro? i'm not so sure.

by **VoxOrion** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 18:50:24

Phils get Stinky Pete!

by **dajafi** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 18:50:50

ek wrote:
BigB wrote:CO worker in Seatle is saying Blanton to Seattle, Aumont and Moore to the Blue Jays along with Happ and Drabek. Halladay and cash to the Phillies

yikes

This seems plausible to me.

It's basically the thing I was worried about a few days ago--cutting out all our rotation depth for 2010, plus Drabek (a pretty big "plus")--but I could see Smuggles concluding that if he puts together a killer front three, he can mix and match at the back in the low-risk/high-reward bin (Wang?) and keep Halladay long-term. Plus we hold Taylor and Brown.

Depending on how much cash is coming back, and what's done with it, I'd be okay with this.

by **Squire** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 18:50:51

ek wrote:phillies getting seattle prospects too

....commence scanning Seattle system for 5 tool OFs with little baseball sense.

SQUIRE

by **PTOITWCFTPP** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 18:51:15

Heyman

lee is in deal to #mariners. great job by them. halladay should agree to philly contract. might take a day or 2.

by **dsc25** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 18:51:20

Stark:

As part of the deal, Halladay would agree to a three-year extension through 2013, with a vesting option that could lengthen the deal by another year or two, one source said. The extension is expected to guarantee Halladay in the neighborhood of $60 million, plus the $15.75 million he would make in 2010, the final year of his current contract.

According to a source who spoke with two teams involved in the trade, Toronto would get highly regarded Mariners pitching prospect Phillippe Aumont, Phillies catching prospect Travis d'Arnaud and another Phillies prospect in exchange for Halladay. Indications are that the Phillies have balked at Toronto's repeated requests for outfielder Domonic Brown, and the Phillies are offering highly touted outfielder Michael Taylor instead.

Seattle would also send two prospects to Philadelphia in exchange for Lee, who is a year away from free agency.

As of late Monday afternoon, the extension had not been agreed upon. And the Blue Jays and Phillies were still haggling over the final prospect. In addition, Phillies doctors would have to sign off on Halladay's physical.

by **FTN** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 18:51:44

I think the Phillies are convinced Drabek wasn't going to help the big league club in a substantial manner in 2010. So I don't really view him as the "'depth" to help our 2010 rotation.

by **LongDrive** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 18:53:14

Ok, so they are giving up Lee.

by **S2D** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 18:53:22

Great. The rookie GM in Toronto just played the game and beat the crap out of the Phillies when they blinked.

by **HillMD** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 18:53:22

mozartpc27 wrote:
mcare89 wrote:FYI: Stark to be on ESPN950 in 5 minutes.

Missanelli is reporting this on the scratch-pad from somewhere:

Phillies get: Halladay and two M's prospects
Blue Jays get: Aumont, Taylor, and Travis D'Arnaud
Mariners get: Lee

Depending on who the Mariner prospects coming here are, I think I'd be ok with that.

That's the most true-sounding thing I've heard all day, for whatever that is worth.

Still not a fan of dealing Lee AND prospects to get Halladay. Truth be told, I'd rather have Taylor than Victorino at this point, and I think Brown and Drabek should be untouchable in this deal, since Toronto is screwed on this anwyay. I can understand moving Lee to get the necessary prospects since we'd be barring our big 3 from the deal, but if the Phillies move Lee they shouldn't move any of Happ, Taylor, Brown, or Drabek; otherwise, it takes two steps backward to move one forward.

But it sounds like that is exactly what happened. Can't imagine Seattle gets in on this - and it's clear they are in on it - to get Blanton by himself, and I don't think it's Blanton AND Victorino either (which I think would make some sense for them).

So, sounds like the Blue Jays ended up beating Rube after all.

I don't think this is right. All that Toronto is getting is D'Arnaud, Taylor and Aumont? Who is Aumont similar to in our system? It doesn't make sense for the Phillies not to give up a similar prospect to Aumont, and keep Lee, if that's all the Blue Jays are getting.

by **jerseyhoya** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 18:53:26

So

Lee + Taylor + D'Arnaud + Mystery Prospect for Halladay + two mystery prospects

And Doc through 2013

by **FTN** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 18:53:47

S2D wrote:Great. The rookie GM in Toronto just played the game and beat the crap out of the Phillies when they blinked.

should we concede 2010 and beyond? I vote yes.

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