Halladay XII: Now with Roy Halladay!

by **LongDrive** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 07:54:38

As happy as I am to get Halladay, I am still scratching my head at this deal. I'm trying to be optimistic. I was on board until Happ/Drabek were thrown into the mix. Just not sure about these prospects we are getting from Seattle. I'll have to trust the Phillies on this and hope for Hamels to pitch like he's capable of pitching because Halladay and Hamels is, and can be, a hell of a 1-2 two punch.

I guess I'm pissed because I thought they were going to keep Lee as well. Who knows with all the prospects involved. The players we are getting from Seattle may turn out to be better than what the Phils are giving up, but I doubt it!

by **GrizzledVeteran** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 07:55:24

Phight On! wrote:IF Taylor is included in this deal, who plays RF when Jayson Werth leaves for Jason Bay type money (or whatever players with 35+ HR power and 20+ SB speed get) after 2010?

Brown.

by **LongDrive** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 07:55:26

Phight On! wrote:IF Taylor is included in this deal, who plays RF when Jayson Werth leaves for Jason Bay type money (or whatever players with 35+ HR power and 20+ SB speed get) after 2010?

Brown

by **Brantt** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 08:10:31

Phight On! wrote:IF Taylor is included in this deal, who plays RF when Jayson Werth leaves for Jason Bay type money (or whatever players with 35+ HR power and 20+ SB speed get) after 2010?

Brown

by **Squire** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 08:16:28

Phight On! wrote:IF Taylor is included in this deal, who plays RF when Jayson Werth leaves for Jason Bay type money (or whatever players with 35+ HR power and 20+ SB speed get) after 2010?

When Rube gets done it'll be DeWayne Wise

by **Grotewold** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 08:17:03

ek wrote:
Squire wrote:The one aspect of the deal I like is that I think Rube is a stupid jack-azz and if this deal causes him to lose the support of the board, I will like that.

SQUIRE

jesus that's pretty selfish

by **Grotewold** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 08:19:37

LongDrive wrote:I'm trying to be optimistic.

Picture Roy Halladay on the mound for two/three starts of every playoff series for the next several years.

by **bleh** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 08:31:02

Then picture Kyle Kendrick as the 4th starter this year after Lee and Happ get traded

by **Monkeyboy** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 08:31:16

S2D wrote:Seattle should be the only ones paying out the nose in this deal. What's to stop us from offering Lee up to Texas, who finished 2 games ahead of them last year? Why couldn't we get at least enough from Seattle to get Halladay? That would be the ideal scenario. Why are we trading our prospects and Lee?

Maybe it's the prospects Toronto wants. If Toronto wants a player or two from Seattle, it could limit our trade partners to just them.

by **howardfan6** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 08:36:57

Squire wrote:The one aspect of the deal I like is that I think Rube is a stupid jack-azz and if this deal causes him to lose the support of the board, I will like that.

SQUIRE

What a coincidence - you end up sounding like a jack-azz making that statement. How you have failed to change your mind about Amaro, particularly after the deal that netted us Lee, never ceases to amaze me.

by **The Crimson Cyclone** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 08:37:30

Please tell me that awful trade scenario that was being reported when I went to bed last night isnt true

by **Monkeyboy** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 08:40:12

Wizlah wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:Yeh, yesterday I was arguing that I wasn't sure if we should trade prospects to end up with Halladay, Lee, and Hamels because I was afraid it would destroy our depth. Today, our depth is shot to hell and we only have 2 of the 3 top pitchers. What a difference a day makes, 24 little hours.

there is no evidence of any of this happening. I realise you do not rate amaro, and firmly believe he wants halladay so bad that he'll wreck our franchise, but previous behaviour suggests that he actively avoids taking such decisions. Calm the $#@! down. You are not idly speculating. You are actively indulging in misery. It is of no analytical use. Nor is it funny.

zOMG, Dajafi hates me. One of our most tolerant board members has run out of patience.

I'm sure I've said this before, but you have paper-thin skin. Y'all need to dip yourself in White spirits or something to toughen it up. There are a number of people indulging in the same behaviour. I can empathise with dajafi. the indulgent miserablists have $#@! my head too. I wish all of you would calm the $#@! down.

The first post was very similar to about a million other posts in this thread. I was making a post assuming that the trade had gone through as listed in the hour before I went to bed. It reiterates things both FTN and Dajafi said. Did you even read what others said or do you just see those guys through rose-colored glasses?

The second part is an obvious joke -- more of a comment about how this trade has even got under Dajafi's skin, who is one of our most even-headed posters.

You're the raving limey, not me. You telling me to settle down is kinda funny. I'll remember that next time you give one of your patented rants overreacting to something.

by **Monkeyboy** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 08:42:04

Squire wrote:The one aspect of the deal I like is that I think Rube is a stupid jack-azz and if this deal causes him to lose the support of the board, I will like that.

SQUIRE

I'm not sure I want to make that trade, but I agree with you in terms of never thinking Amaro was worth a hill of beans.

by **Monkeyboy** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 08:43:33

howardfan6 wrote:
Squire wrote:The one aspect of the deal I like is that I think Rube is a stupid jack-azz and if this deal causes him to lose the support of the board, I will like that.

SQUIRE

What a coincidence - you end up sounding like a jack-azz making that statement. How you have failed to change your mind about Amaro, particularly after the deal that netted us Lee, never ceases to amaze me.

You have that Lee deal on one hand, and pretty much everything else he has done on the other. The balance says he's overrated, imho.

by **howardfan6** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 08:46:13

Monkeyboy wrote:
howardfan6 wrote:
Squire wrote:The one aspect of the deal I like is that I think Rube is a stupid jack-azz and if this deal causes him to lose the support of the board, I will like that.

SQUIRE

What a coincidence - you end up sounding like a jack-azz making that statement. How you have failed to change your mind about Amaro, particularly after the deal that netted us Lee, never ceases to amaze me.

You have that Lee deal on one hand, and pretty much everything else he has done on the other. The balance says he's overrated, imho.

The Park deal was a stroke of genius and buying out Hamels' and Howard's arbitration years to create a clearer payroll projection was smart decision. He hasn't made a bad move yet.

by **The Crimson Cyclone** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 08:49:56

howardfan6 wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:
howardfan6 wrote:
Squire wrote:The one aspect of the deal I like is that I think Rube is a stupid jack-azz and if this deal causes him to lose the support of the board, I will like that.

SQUIRE

What a coincidence - you end up sounding like a jack-azz making that statement. How you have failed to change your mind about Amaro, particularly after the deal that netted us Lee, never ceases to amaze me.

You have that Lee deal on one hand, and pretty much everything else he has done on the other. The balance says he's overrated, imho.

The Park deal was a stroke of genius and buying out Hamels' and Howard's arbitration years to create a clearer payroll projection was smart decision. He hasn't made a bad move yet.

Polanco?
Castro?
Not offering arb to Park?

most decisions this year look like budget decisions

by **Trent Steele** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 09:22:24

Stark on 950 in 5

by **Squire** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 09:22:42

ek wrote:
Squire wrote:The one aspect of the deal I like is that I think Rube is a stupid jack-azz and if this deal causes him to lose the support of the board, I will like that.

SQUIRE

jesus that's pretty selfish

I said "one aspect" Certainly doesn't make me like this absolutely horrible (albeit rumored) deal. Frankly, it looks to me like the reason we won't have both Halladay and Lee is budget pressure equal to the second year on Jamie Moyer's contract which was ridiculous the moment it was given.

I also apologize for shifting this thread from a trade discussion to a Rube Referendum.

SQUIRE

by **The Savior** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 09:23:10

I want my season ticket money back

Cliff Leez bobblehead day? WTF?!!?!?!

by **phorever** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 09:23:30

Monkeyboy wrote:You have that Lee deal on one hand, and pretty much everything else he has done on the other. The balance says he's overrated, imho.

ibanez has worked out well so far. pedro provided good value above his salary.

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