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by **scottdg** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:22:31

kenrosenthal wrote:--Jays officials are telling other clubs that they are determined not to feel pressured to trade an ace in the way they perceive Minnesota was in dealing Johan Santana Johan Santana and, thus, accept an inferior offer just to be done with the matter.
sherman

This makes no sense at all since they will be putting themselves in exactly the same position if they don't trade him now.

This is more posturing. I don't know why I keep refreshing this page to read a bunch of cap I don't believe.

by **21McBride** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:22:50

if the Phils don't get him, here's hoping the NY Rangers do

being from Texas and all, I can't imagine he's much of a skater

by **JFLNYC** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:24:11

He's from Denver.

by **jerseyhoya** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:24:50

The Dude wrote:John, use your finger to hitchhike out of here lol

If Kyle Drabek is the deal breaker he appears to be based on media reports, then it’s tough to wonder why Roy Halladay hasn’t pitched yet for the Phillies.

No, this isn’t to say the 21-year-old righty from Texas is not a good pitcher. Far from it. Certainly if the Phillies top pitching prospect were working with Major League fielders behind him, his line would have looked much better from Monday night’s start against the Double-A Portland Sea Dogs of the Red Sox system.

However, there are not three pitchers better than the Blue Jays’ Halladay, and if the rumors are true, Drabek is the one player the Philadelphia Phillies refuse to part with. Sure, Halladay might be a Hall-of-Fame caliber pitcher, one that could turn the Phillies into instant World Series contenders the moment he slips into the red-and-white pinstripes, but Drabek …

Is he getting paid by the word? Jesus.

by **The Red Tornado** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:26:11

gr wrote:Due to my post on page 35, I received an email on myspace from one John Finger telling me what a jerk I am. While that may be true, John, if you're reading this thread (again), your whole point about you using your real name and me hiding behind anonymity is pretty silly since you were able to find me in about 5 seconds through the link to my website below. Just sayin', bro.

And, I worked for the New Era when you worked for the Intel. 96-98. You remember the story about NCAA basketball violations at Millersville U? I broke that story.

really? wow

publish email?

by **21McBride** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:26:22

JFLNYC wrote:He's from Denver.

sorry confused with drabek, halladay could very well be a stud hockey player (he's certainly got the beard for it)

by **traderdave** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:26:34

21McBride wrote:if the Phils don't get him, here's hoping the NY Rangers do

being from Texas and all, I can't imagine he's much of a skater

Chris Pronger is gonna fuck Halladay up if he goes into the slot.

by **ColeHamelsIsTheSavior** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:27:42

21McBride wrote:if the Phils don't get him, here's hoping the NY Rangers do

being from Texas and all, I can't imagine he's much of a skater

Higgins, Dubinsky, Staal, and the rights to Nikolai Zherdev for Halladay and a PTBNL. With Gaborik, Halladay, and Lundqvist the Rangers would be a good team but they'd probably have cap issues.

by **JFLNYC** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:35:00

Houshphandzadeh wrote:Really.

Win deals, if possible.

That's the question, Housh. Everyone (including me) hopes Rube's strategy pays off and we get him for less. Who knows? It might and we'll know by Friday.

The question is, though, if it gets to 4PM on Friday and Riccardi (however irrationally) insists on his price, do you walk away just on a point of principle? Sure, if you honestly believe that not trading those 3 prospects for Roy Halladay is the better choice for the team, you walk away and live to fight another day. But I wouldn't let the principle stand in the way of making the deal. At the critical moment, the determining factor is what's best for the team (factoring in the myriad of considerations we've discussed here). If it's best for the team/franchise, you walk away. If not, you do the deal, irrespective of the principle.

by **Brantt** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:37:21

"If we don't get him ... it'll be, 'Why didn't we do it?' " center fielder Shane Victorino said on Sunday. "Are you really that focused on the future when to me the future is now? We won last year. Halladay could potentially take us back there to win another championship. When a guy like this is available, how can we not get him?"

by **Didn't I?** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:41:38

Brantt wrote:
"If we don't get him ... it'll be, 'Why didn't we do it?' " center fielder Shane Victorino said on Sunday. "Are you really that focused on the future when to me the future is now? We won last year. Halladay could potentially take us back there to win another championship. When a guy like this is available, how can we not get him?"

Quotes like that make me fear the pressure on Drabek if we don't get Halladay.

by **bleh** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:42:23

Brantt wrote:
"If we don't get him ... it'll be, 'Why didn't we do it?' " center fielder Shane Victorino said on Sunday. "Are you really that focused on the future when to me the future is now? We won last year. Halladay could potentially take us back there to win another championship. When a guy like this is available, how can we not get him?"

"especially trade those Taylor & Brown whats-their-names"

by **TenuredVulture** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:46:20

Phillies players to Happ--don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

by **Werthless** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:48:04

Don't the Phils players know to keep their mouths shut?

by **Houshphandzadeh** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:48:37

I want the museum to have Free Pizza Fridays.

by **Squire** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:50:02

bleh wrote:
Brantt wrote:
"If we don't get him ... it'll be, 'Why didn't we do it?' " center fielder Shane Victorino said on Sunday. "Are you really that focused on the future when to me the future is now? We won last year. Halladay could potentially take us back there to win another championship. When a guy like this is available, how can we not get him?"

"especially trade those Taylor & Brown whats-their-names"

Exactly. Shane do your job and let Smuggy do his. I'm sure Shane has no interest in seeing 2 guys who could take his job when his arb years are up out of the organization by then.

SQUIRE

by **dajafi** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:51:11

I hope that Happ knows better than to take that personally, but I hear where you guys are coming from. Nor do I blame the players that they want to add the best arm in the game; remember when we (I, anyway) used to worry that the players didn't care as much as we did?

Stepping back from it, what a few months for Happ--lost the starter job in ST, had no clear role in the bullpen, was great anyway, joined the rotation, performed superbly, and now is at the center of the baseball world. Whatever happens, he'll have a lot to think about this off-season.

by **ashton** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:51:55

Brantt wrote:
"If we don't get him ... it'll be, 'Why didn't we do it?' " center fielder Shane Victorino said on Sunday. "Are you really that focused on the future when to me the future is now? We won last year. Halladay could potentially take us back there to win another championship. When a guy like this is available, how can we not get him?"

Go $&#@ yourself Shane. Instead how about saying "He'd make it a little easier, but we don't need him to win the World Series. Just look at last year." It's pure selfishness on your part to say that the team shouldn't care about the future, when you'll no longer be here, they should only care about the years that you're here.

And "the future is now" is one of the dumbest expressions of all time.

by **scottdg** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:52:05

Squire wrote:
bleh wrote:
Brantt wrote:
"If we don't get him ... it'll be, 'Why didn't we do it?' " center fielder Shane Victorino said on Sunday. "Are you really that focused on the future when to me the future is now? We won last year. Halladay could potentially take us back there to win another championship. When a guy like this is available, how can we not get him?"

"especially trade those Taylor & Brown whats-their-names"

Exactly. Shane do your job and let Smuggy do his. I'm sure Shane has no interest in seeing 2 guys who could take his job when his arb years are up out of the organization by then.

SQUIRE

Or maybe he just has a big mouth and wants to win.

by **ashton** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:54:23

"If we don't get him ... it'll be, 'Why didn't we do it?' " center fielder Shane Victorino said on Sunday. "Are you really that focused on the future when to me the future is now? We won last year. Halladay could potentially take us back there to win another championship. When a guy like this is available, how can we not get him?"

Shortstop Jimmy Rollins said basically the same thing last Saturday, suggesting management should go get the Toronto right-hander "almost regardless of what the asking price is."

New trade proposal: Victorino and Rollins for Halladay and Scutaro. "They said to do it regardless of the price."

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