Brantt wrote:-Said Rolen is a complete jerk off the field and screwed over a TV reporter on a story the other day

Treating media poorly doesn't make you a bad person.

Now back to your regularly schedule Halladay stuff.

Werthless wrote:

Didn't I? wrote:I never want to not win the World Series ever again.

I don't think that this isn't the way we should be looking at it, no?

Not never, no.

Brantt wrote:-Said Gillick and Beeston are best friends and constantly talk. Said Gillick has been involved in the discussions

jeff2sf wrote:Guys, you're oversimplifying to make your argument. Yes, young kids are fluid, as is prospect status, but you simply can't ignore 3 months of information. Drabek is simply worth more than he was previously (Happ and Brown, debateably not). This isn't a particularly hard call. You keep talking about speculative stocks, if I buy a stock at 5 bucks, and it goes up to 50 bucks, I don't sell it to you for 25 dollars just because I would have been thrilled with a 5x return when I bought the thing. I will not debate this though because it's such a bad analogy.

If you want to reiterate how we're trading uncertain goods for a proven commodity, that's an argument with traction.

First, it's not ignoring the new information, it's capitalizing on it. Second, Halladay is the 50 bucks, not the 25 bucks. Third, the whole point is trading speculative assets for a proven one. Fourth, despite your contention, you're already debating the point. And lastly, there's no such word as "debateably."

It was a dumb analogy. The value of an asset is what it is today, if you have an asset that used to cost 50 that costs 25 now, and an asset that used to cost 5 that now costs 25, the assets are worth the same. Doesn't matter what happened three months ago. That's not even something you can debateably argue.

Right now though, in his first huge trade, Amaro CAN'T agree to Drabek, Happ & Brown. He's already turned it down so to then cave, doesn't that paint him in the GM community for the duration of his tenure?

stevemc wrote:Right now though, in his first huge trade, Amaro CAN'T agree to Drabek, Happ & Brown. He's already turned it down so to then cave, doesn't that paint him in the GM community for the duration of his tenure?

It's going to hurt him about as much as it hurts those guys I mentioned who agreed to the $125MM asking price for an asset and then sold it 2.5 years later for $313MM.

as much as i hate to do it, i'd do drabek, taylor, and happ for halladay, scutaro. thats what i would offer right now.

Due to my post on page 35, I received an email on myspace from one John Finger telling me what a jerk I am. While that may be true, John, if you're reading this thread (again), your whole point about you using your real name and me hiding behind anonymity is pretty silly since you were able to find me in about 5 seconds through the link to my website below. Just sayin', bro.

And, I worked for the New Era when you worked for the Intel. 96-98. You remember the story about NCAA basketball violations at Millersville U? I broke that story.

and the jays probably would not accept.

What about the guys who didn't cave to offers, knew they were in the drivers seat, and the asset was later sold for 60 million dollars? Don't you think you're beating this cautionary tale into the ground? Guy made a mistake in one business deal and couldn't let it go. It's arguable that he even made a mistake. Maybe that buyer should have sold it for more than the 125 he asked for?

gr wrote:Due to my post on page 35, I received an email on myspace from one John Finger telling me what a jerk I am. While that may be true, John, if you're reading this thread (again), your whole point about you using your real name and me hiding behind anonymity is pretty silly since you were able to find me in about 5 seconds through the link to my website below. Just sayin', bro.

And, I worked for the New Era when you worked for the Intel. 96-98. You remember the story about NCAA basketball violations at Millersville U? I broke that story.

what

I am not of the view that when the Phillies are selling they should merely accept what the other team is offering and when they are buying they should merely pay what the other team has asked for.

post the email please

Man, what a douche. That's sub-Marcus Hayes stuff right there.

John, use your finger to hitchhike out of here lol

Squire wrote:I am not of the view that when the Phillies are selling they should merely accept what the other team is offering and when they are buying they should merely pay what the other team has asked for.

* Good post.

Squire wrote:I am not of the view that when the Phillies are selling they should merely accept what the other team is offering and when they are buying they should merely pay what the other team has asked for.

Agreed.

Really.

Win deals, if possible.

--After their latest round of meetings, Toronto officials are more dug in than ever that they should receive an elite package for Roy Halladay or they will simply wait until the offseason again.

--Toronto officials are insistent that they must get Kyle Drabek as part of a trade with Philadelphia. They really like both outfielder Dominic Brown and pitcher Jason Knapp. But both of them are at A-ball and Knapp has had shoulder problems. The Jays see too much risk in that group while Drabek already is thriving at High-A. They would not substitute J.A. Happ for Drabek because Happ does not pass one of their litmus tests: Do you imagine in a year you will want to sign him to a long-term contract? The Jays think that is possible with Drabek. They view Happ more as a middle-to-back-of-the-rotation starter.

As a way to exemplify how problematic trading for prospects are and why they want to target specific youngsters they like the most, Jays officials have noted that last year when it came to CC Sabathia the Phillies made Carlos Carasco and Lou Marson unavailable. Now those two have moved up to Triple-A, their performance has dipped and they are players being offered as secondary parts for Halladay.

--Jays officials are trying to sell interested teams on this view of Halladay: If you obtain him now you get Halladay for two pennant races plus even if you don't sign him to a long-term contract you can offer arbitration and gain two compensation draft picks. Toronto sees those draft picks as extra pieces that an acquiring team can obtain and, thus, should pay for in a trade now, too.

--Jays officials are telling other clubs that they are determined not to feel pressured to trade an ace in the way they perceive Minnesota was in dealing Johan Santana Johan Santana and, thus, accept an inferior offer just to be done with the matter.

--The Phillies remain the frontrunner, but there is potential to complete deals with at least the Red Sox and Rangers New York Rangers , too.

--At the moment, if they deal with Philadelphia, Toronto has said it wants Happ, too, in addition to Drabek because the Jays want to be able to put someone on the roster immediately who is part of this kind of trade. But if Philadelphia is willing to give up Drabek, the Jays might relent on Happ.

sherman