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by **Ace Rothstein** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 20:49:52

kopphanatic wrote:National Lampoon's Vacation is on and they're playing Halladay Road. IT'S WRITTEN IN THE STARS, PEOPLE!

Density

by **cshort** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 20:49:55

JFLNYC wrote:I find it fascinating that they're not really negotiating. They're just exchanging offers and counter-offers. It's like they're buying a house. At some point if you want to get a deal done, pick up the damn phone and haggle until you get something you both like.

I think their current behavior is a symptom of the smug-a-thon. It's like they think it would show weakness just to have a conversation or two.

In Rube's defense, it sounds like it's JPR throwing out ridiculous packages. If I'm another team, I make him sweat a little, so that he comes back to reality. They still have plenty of time.

by **Ace Rothstein** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 20:50:47

Keith law time

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 20:51:08

JFLNYC wrote:I find it fascinating that they're not really negotiating. They're just exchanging offers and counter-offers. It's like they're buying a house. At some point if you want to get a deal done, pick up the damn phone and haggle until you get something you both like.

I think their current behavior is a symptom of the smug-a-thon. It's like they think it would show weakness just to have a conversation or two.

Hey, when my mother (yes my mother) taught me how to negotiate the price of a car, she told me there always comes a moment where the person who speaks next loses. The moment is when they know your basic ballpark and then give you the price they are --- heh heh --- "willing" to part with the car for (usually a couple grand under the sticker).

I think the negotiations have reached this stage.

by **Stay_Disappointed** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 20:51:32

So far its documented that both Giles and Gillick are pushing hard to make the trade. I'm guessing that Amaro and Manuel definitely want Halladay at any cost. In the end with that front office clout moving things along they may buckle in the end and ante up to the Jays demands. Of course I believe Monty is against the whole idea and he's the most important guy on the Phillies side.

by **Ace Rothstein** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 20:51:43

Drabek = overrated

by **WilliamC** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 20:52:16

JPR is trying to pull off a miracle to save his job. Ruben has pocket aces.

Ruben doesn't have to cave. I think JPR eventually will. It's not like even with Amaro's latest offer that we would be embarrassing the Blue Jays organization if it would be accepted.

by **Trent Steele** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 20:56:49

ek wrote:holy crap, Law killed us

said Drabek is a #2-#3 and sits in the low 90's. said Happ is a fringe major leaguer and while he likes Brown, he's 2 to 3 years away. said he was utterly shocked we turned down the first offer

It doesnt matter. No one listens to Law.

by **CFP** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 20:57:15

Well, that means we can finally confirm the last time Law saw Drabek pitch was in 2006. "Sits in the low 90s?" That's just not accurate.

by **Brantt** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 20:57:27

A summary of Law on ESPNews...........

-Drabek is vastly overrated and has the upside of a #2, more likely a #3 in the big leagues

-Happ is a "fringe major leaguer"

-He really likes Brown

-Rangers prospects blow ours away.............."it's not even close"

-"Astonished" the Phillies didn't make that trade..........the Blue Jays aren't asking for near enough

by **S2D** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 20:57:46

ek wrote:holy crap, Law killed us

said Drabek is a #2-#3 and sits in the low 90's. said Happ is a fringe major leaguer and while he likes Brown, he's 2 to 3 years away. said he was utterly shocked we turned down the first offer.

Law will be "utterly shocked" by quite a bit moving forward, I'd imagine.

by **karn** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 20:58:12

It also confirms that he doesn't read or believe? other people's scouting reports

by 1 » Sun Jul 26, 2009 20:58:13

i'm going to filter "keith law" to "dave chappelle", because HE'S HILARIOUS!!!

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 20:58:45

That's it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Grab the pitchforks and the torches, because it's time for me to burn Keith Law's house down.

by **kopphanatic** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 20:58:53

Law is ass.

by **cartersDad26** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 21:00:00

Trent Steele wrote:
ek wrote:holy crap, Law killed us

said Drabek is a #2-#3 and sits in the low 90's. said Happ is a fringe major leaguer and while he likes Brown, he's 2 to 3 years away. said he was utterly shocked we turned down the first offer

It doesnt matter. No one listens to Law.

In 2002, Law was hired by the Toronto Blue Jays as a "Consultant to Baseball Operations" after impressing Blue Jays' general manager J. P. Ricciardi during the offseason winter meetings.[4] After Paul DePodesta recommended Law to him, Ricciardi asked Law's opinions regarding the approaching Rule 5 draft of that year, and, impressed with Law's answers and explanations, offered him a position with the team.[5] During his time with the Blue Jays, he acted as a scout, contract negotiator, and provided assistance to the team's marketing and sales staffs.[2] Law reached the position of Special Assistant to the GM before resigning in 2006.

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 21:00:01

If tomorrow the Blue Jays say we now need to give them Drabek, Brown, Taylor, and Knapp to make this deal, I swear to God...

by **Trent Steele** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 21:00:41

Dont get worked up. Law is irrelvant.

by **blueclaw** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 21:01:16

JP's talking again...says odds of trade are "very slim"

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9856 ... very-slim'

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 21:01:23

Does anyone have an email for that raging prick? I feel like firing off an incredibly abusive rebuke of his opinions and moral character right about now.

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