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by **Bucky** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 15:18:10

CalvinBall wrote:What if the work out a deal then Halladay vetoes a trade here? Would that be the most epic thing ever?

that would be teh funniest bsg day EVAH

by **scottdg** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 15:18:40

Would anyone else like to see them just change Taylor to Brown and end this damn thing so Halladay can pitch in AZ on Wednesday?

Happ+Brown+Carrasco+Donald

That would make me very happy since I would rather keep Taylor anyway.

by **jerseyhoya** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 15:19:21

scottdg wrote:Would anyone else like to see them just change Taylor to Brown and end this damn thing so Halladay can pitch in AZ on Wednesday?

Happ+Brown+Carrasco+Donald

That would make me very happy since I would rather keep Taylor anyway.

Where do I sign?

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 15:19:59

FTN wrote:The unfortunate thing, from my perspective, is that Drabek + Happ + Brown for Hallladay is still a fair deal (all things considered) and is a deal that we should do. If we take that deal now, should it still be there, it hurts Rube in future negotiations because it showed he caved. Thats the one negative of these very public, high profile deals

I agree that the proposed deal was doable - I would do Happ/Drabek/Taylor after all, and, depending on how you feel about Brown v. Taylor, it's conceivable that the worse deal for the Phillies of those two is Happ/Drabek/Brown.

But I think Rube can get one of Happ or Drabek off the table or keep both on but keep Taylor and Brown off. I think he thinks so too (obviously).

by **traderdave** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 15:20:21

FTN wrote:The unfortunate thing, from my perspective, is that Drabek + Happ + Brown for Hallladay is still a fair deal (all things considered) and is a deal that we should do. If we take that deal now, should it still be there, it hurts Rube in future negotiations because it showed he caved. Thats the one negative of these very public, high profile deals

If it came down to it, maybe Rube can try to save some face by having Scuturo, Downs or Frasor included in the deal.

by **FTN** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 15:20:40

Which brings us back to Halladay. We are now in the ‘Phony War’ stage of what could be his final days with the Blue Jays. ESPN’s Jayson Stark used to work for the Philadelphia Inquirer, and I know who his sources are, so if he says the Philadelphia Phillies said no to a package of pitchers J.A. Happ and Kyle Drabek and outfielder Dominic Brown for Halladay – and that the Blue Jays quite properly waved off the Phillies’ counteroffer of Happ, outfield prospect Michael Taylor, pitcher Carlos Carrasco and shortstop Jason Donald – we can all take it as gospel.

What’s also true is that enough groundwork has been done that general manager J.P. Ricciardi’s so-called deadline tomorrow to trade Halladay is not carved in stone. He would make an exception for the Phillies. They are Halladay’s preferred location because their spring training site is close to his Palm Harbor, Fla., home – just like the Blue Jays’ Dunedin facility.

(Although after Saturday’s murder of a fan outside a restaurant in Philadelphia’s Citizens Bank Ballpark as a result of an eighth-inning brawl, I could think of other places a guy might want to play)

So the real deadline for the Phillies remains Friday, and in the meantime, the Blue Jays lose nothing by waiting.

- Blair

by **dajafi** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 15:21:17

scottdg wrote:Would anyone else like to see them just change Taylor to Brown and end this damn thing so Halladay can pitch in AZ on Wednesday?

Happ+Brown+Carrasco+Donald

That would make me very happy since I would rather keep Taylor anyway.

I wonder if this is the endgame, since I agree it would be a fair compromise. Any deal in which we keep Drabek and one of the two OFs is a huge win.

I have some fear that this already has been offered and rejected, though. Didn't someone report last night that the Happ/Taylor/CC/Donald offer was inaccurate, and that the Phils actually suggested something better?

by **td11** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 15:22:35

yes. i heard jimmy rollins immediately wanted a trade because that dude got his head kicked in by some drunks in the parking lot. philly!

by **kenrosenthal** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 15:24:29

scottdg wrote:Would anyone else like to see them just change Taylor to Brown and end this damn thing so Halladay can pitch in AZ on Wednesday?

Happ+Brown+Carrasco+Donald

That would make me very happy since I would rather keep Taylor anyway.

Im the other way around, I'd rather keep brown and trade taylor. But if we had to, I'd do the above trade

by **The Red Tornado** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 15:25:00

the strange thing Im thinking is that the offers are so public- can anyone remember where the offers and counter offers were being reported in the press with such detail?

by **cshort** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 15:25:04

Another thing that might keep other teams (like Boston) out of the negotiations with Toronto. If most teams believe the Phillies are Halladay's destination, do they run out names of their "untouchables" (Buchholz for example) as being available? This could potentially drive up prices in the market as a whole, thus making someone like Lee more expensive than he should be.

by **Trent Steele** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 15:27:25

The best thing that could happen today is that the Red Sox make a trade for Lee.

by **FTN** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 15:28:03

Trent Steele wrote:The best thing that could happen today is that the Red Sox make a trade for Lee.

Lee to Boston
Washburn to the Yankees

Happy days are here again

by **scottdg** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 15:28:21

kenrosenthal wrote:
scottdg wrote:Would anyone else like to see them just change Taylor to Brown and end this damn thing so Halladay can pitch in AZ on Wednesday?

Happ+Brown+Carrasco+Donald

That would make me very happy since I would rather keep Taylor anyway.

Im the other way around, I'd rather keep brown and trade taylor. But if we had to, I'd do the above trade

I know a lot of people are divided on that , but no matter how you look at it Brown has more perceived value in this deal because of his ranking and the Jays current contracts in the OF.

It seems like a win/win for both teams since JPR can save face by saying he got a ML ready starter, our pre-season #1 prospect (wasn't carrasco #1?) and our current #2 prospect. We get to keep Drabek.

by **CalvinBall** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 15:29:43

by **FTN** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 15:31:25

on the Lee front, since its all intertwined

The Red Sox and Rays are both talking to the Indians about acquiring Victor Martinez and Cliff Lee, reports Joel Sherman of the New York Post.
According to Sherman, the Rays are willing to include top-prospect Wade Davis in a possible deal, while the Red Sox are still balking at Clay Buchholz. According to the report, the Giants are considering a deal for Martinez while the Rangers and Brewers have interest in Lee. Sherman cites a club executive as saying he would bet "1,000 percent" that Cleveland deals Lee and Martinez, due to financial concerns.

by **cshort** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 15:33:20

JPR's sphincter just got a little tighter

by **JFLNYC** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 15:47:02

Exactly. Shapiro didn't just fall off the turnip truck.

by **BIGPHILLY** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 15:50:16

I'm willing to wager - that unless Amaro caves - Shapiro will get MORE for Lee than JPR ends up getting for Halladay.

Watch.

Phils end up with Halladay but whoever gets Lee - I bet - will pay more. (Of course it's impossible to quantify but Shapiro is a good GM)

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 15:51:06

Lee is also younger with a more favorable contract, lest we forget.

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