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by **VFB** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 17:07:14

not so optimistic without my fake twitter news, are we? i'm loaded and ready to go, just say the word..

by **mcare89** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 17:08:17

CFP wrote:
mcare89 wrote:Does anybody take the JP Deadline seriously?

Are we assuming we're going to be sitting here waiting until Friday night to make a deal?

Well the deadline is at like 3 PM, so there's no need to worry too much about missing your Friday night gangbang or whatever you're doing

Working, actually. And the deadline's 4PM, BTW. But every year at the deadline we end up sitting around for hours afterwards waiting for trades that haven't been announced yet.

by **S2D** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 17:08:45

Boston isn't going to say "we have to have Halladay", when they can offer A LOT less to Cleveland and probably get Lee. No way they're in this. No way.

by **FTN** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 17:09:52

S2D wrote:Boston isn't going to say "we have to have Halladay", when they can offer A LOT less to Cleveland and probably get Lee. No way they're in this. No way.

Everyone is using everyone else for leverage.

I think Boston would love Halladay, but they dont want to pay the AL East premium.

But they really want V-Mart. And I think they want Lee.

by **JFLNYC** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 17:10:14

The problem is they've both adopted Mozart's Mom's infantile (sorry Mozart) car negotiation strategy of whoever talks next loses. So now they've lathered even more ego on top of it. Someone whom they both respect needs to tell them they both need a time out and then meet to talk. It's come down to Nursery School training.

by **Bucky** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 17:10:21

and the converse is, well, the converse. Just like Toronto doesn't want to hand an impact player to a division rival, likewise Boston doesn't want to stock a bunch of studs into Toronto's farm....

by **CFP** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 17:11:35

Seriously everyone, calm down. Minaya called out a beat writer in a press conference today and the beat writer told Minaya what he was saying was "bullshit". Whenever you feel down, just thank the Mets.

by **Trent Steele** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 17:13:41

JFLNYC wrote:The problem is they've both adopted Mozart's Mom's infantile (sorry Mozart) car negotiation strategy of whoever talks next loses. So now they've lathered even more ego on top of it. Someone whom they both respect needs to tell them they both need a time out and then meet to talk. It's come down to Nursery School training.

Still 4 days away. It's too early to make your "final offer" if your Rube if that "final offer" isnt going to result in an immediate acceptance by JP with 4 dats left (i.e. "I''m blown away by your offer!!!"), which it won't. My guess is Rube doesn't offer Drabek until Thursday night.

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 17:15:02

JFLNYC wrote:The problem is they've both adopted Mozart's Mom's infantile (sorry Mozart) car negotiation strategy of whoever talks next loses. So now they've lathered even more ego on top of it. Someone whom they both respect needs to tell them they both need a time out and then meet to talk. It's come down to Nursery School training.

Don't knock it; when I was a kid, my Mom negotiated a price for a vehicle that got her salesperson in trouble because he ultimately offered to sell it to her for under cost. I still remember the look on his fae when he came back with his manager: white as a ghost, apologizing to my Mom, scared shit-less in general.

I know what you're thinking: what I saw was a ploy. But I'm telling you it wasn't.

At any rate, I have no idea if this is a good way to do a baseball trade, but it's always worked in car buying. Never fails.

by **JFLNYC** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 17:18:31

There are lots of ways to negotiate successfully and the stubborn, posturing, game-playing, PITA approach we're currently seeing can be very effective. But you might be surprised how effective an honest, straightforward, hide-in-plain-sight approach can be, both in the short-term and in the long-term.

by **mcare89** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 17:20:09

3:47pm: A Blue Jays person tells Ed Price of AOL FanHouse that the Jays want "every last good guy" in a team's system if they're going to part with Halladay.

by **Trent Steele** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 17:22:37

JFLNYC wrote:There are lots of ways to negotiate successfully and the stubborn, posturing, game-playing, PITA approach we're currently seeing can be very effective. But you might be surprised how effective an honest, straightforward, hide-in-plain-sight approach can be, both in the short-term and in the long-term.

Depends on who you're negotiating with. I'm not sure that plays with JP Douchechills.

by **Bucky** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 17:23:19

Rube: "I'm pleased to announce that the Phillies have acquired the contract of Roy Halladay from the Toronto Blue Jays. In exhange, Toronto will receive....Reading".

Astonished Reporter: "The whole TEAM???"

Rube: "No, the entire #($&@)(& city".

by **Bakestar** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 17:23:43

Ha ha only 94 1/2 hours until the Deadline!

by **CFP** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 17:24:26

Bucky wrote:Rube: "I'm pleased to announce that the Phillies have acquired the contract of Roy Halladay from the Toronto Blue Jays. In exhange, Toronto will receive....Reading".

Astonished Reporter: "The whole TEAM???"

Rube: "No, the entire #($&@)(& city".

Well if you've been to Reading, this wouldn't be a bad idea.

I keed, I keed.

by **Wizlah** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 17:24:31

To those of you despairing, I'm just after reading a great and exceedingly apt line from Frankenstein:

I was required to exchange chimeras of boundless grandeur for realities of little worth.

by **JFLNYC** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 17:25:21

Trent Steele wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:There are lots of ways to negotiate successfully and the stubborn, posturing, game-playing, PITA approach we're currently seeing can be very effective. But you might be surprised how effective an honest, straightforward, hide-in-plain-sight approach can be, both in the short-term and in the long-term.

Depends on who you're negotiating with. I'm not sure that plays with JP Douchechills.

All the more reason to take an alternative approach IMO. When you play on the other guy's home field, you're at a disadvantage.

by **S2D** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 17:25:35

mcare89 wrote:
3:47pm: A Blue Jays person tells Ed Price of AOL FanHouse that the Jays want "every last good guy" in a team's system if they're going to part with Halladay.

I believe the context of that comment was referring to what the Red Sox would have to trade for Halladay.

by **Trent Steele** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 17:30:48

Martino

Amid reports that the Phils-Jays talks are not going well—but keep in mind that the teams are mid-negotiation and their dynamic could very easily change soon—I’m hearing more about Phils-Indians. Baseball sources say that Cleveland will send scouts to watch the Reading Phillies tonight and for the next several nights, demonstrating that a Cliff Lee-to-Phils deal remains a possibility.
Kyle Drabek pitches tonight for Reading, though the Phillies do not believe that would have to part with their top pitching prospect to acquire Lee, the 2008 A.L. Cy Young Award winner. A baseball source also said that the Indians will “double up” their scouts to watch Vance Worley pitch on Thursday. Worley, a righthander, is 6-8 with a 5.68 ERA this year.
A person with direct knowledge of the Jays thinking told the Inquirer that the team is done scouting the Phillies, though it would not be out of the realm of possibility for them to take one more look at Drabek tonight.

In other news on the Plan B Watch, lefty Jarrod Washburn pitches for Seattle tomorrow night. While the Phillies have always favored the idea of acquiring Roy Halladay, Seattle’s Erik Bedard and Washburn have been on their radar, as well as Lee. With Bedard now on the disabled list—and one member of the Phillies staff recently questioned to me Bedard's desire to pitch deep into games, anyway—Lee and Washburn remain the two most logical non-Halladay options.

Plus, the loss of Bedard would seem to make the Mariners more likely to trade off players at the deadline. Ruben Amaro Jr. declined to say whether the Phils would send a scout to watch Washburn tomorrow.
Bottom line: They still want the horse. I'm not saying that a Lee or Washburn deal is likely, or even close. I am saying that Phils continue to consider all possibilities.

by **Trent Steele** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 17:34:00

#Rays have backed off Roy Hallaay for now (#BlueJays asking too much) but still in on #Indians V.Martinez, Lee and sending Kazmir to #Angels
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