Halladay V - Final Destination

Postby pperc15 » Sun Jul 26, 2009 17:19:15

The Red Tornado wrote:we should act like the Japanese- take JPR out to a nice meal, get him drunk and get him laid.


Like tell him he has a very big penis?
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Postby Trent Steele » Sun Jul 26, 2009 17:20:20

I think Halladay goes to the Angels. We get nothing.
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Postby FTN » Sun Jul 26, 2009 17:22:18

70% no trade
15 % phillies
15% angels

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Postby Trent Steele » Sun Jul 26, 2009 17:23:58

20% no trade
25 % phillies
55% angels
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Postby Wizlah » Sun Jul 26, 2009 17:25:17

wait, what am I missing? why so sure he's going to the angels?
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Postby CFP » Sun Jul 26, 2009 17:25:33

15% no trade
65% Phillies
10% Dodgers
5% Brewers
3% Angels
2% Ron Paul

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Postby PSUsarge » Sun Jul 26, 2009 17:26:13

CFP wrote:15% no trade
65% Phillies
10% Dodgers
5% Brewers
3% Angels
2% Ron Paul


Brilliance

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Postby Grotewold » Sun Jul 26, 2009 17:26:15

100% Phillies

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Postby Trent Steele » Sun Jul 26, 2009 17:27:23

Here is the latest on the trade front based on what FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal and Jon-Paul Morosi are hearing from major-league sources:

When a team has deep coffers and a strong farm system, there are many alternatives from which to choose in late July.

The Red Sox are in the process of proving that all over again.

Roy Halladay? They're involved.

Victor Martinez? They're involved.

Adrian Gonzalez? Reportedly, they're involved.

The shortstop market? They're involved there, too.

Yes, and they entered play on Sunday with the American League's third-best record.

The odds are clearly against the Red Sox acquiring Halladay, the Toronto ace, but that hasn't stopped them from inquiring.

Major league sources told FOXSports.com on Sunday that Boston and Toronto remain engaged in trade discussions centered on Halladay. The talks are serious enough that the Jays made a formal, multiple-prospect request during negotiations over the past several days.

Meanwhile, the Red Sox have scouted Martinez closely in recent weeks and are communicating regularly with Cleveland general manager Mark Shapiro. While Boston officials would prefer to acquire a young hitter who is multiple years away from free agency, they view Martinez as a "special case," according to one source, because he's a powerful switch hitter who can play multiple positions.


Yes, the BoSox are even involved in talks for Adrian Gonzalez, too.

The Indians, though, have been told that they won't be able to get prized right-hander Clay Buchholz in a deal for Martinez.

Toronto general manager J.P. Ricciardi has made clear that he would prefer to avoid trading Halladay within the American League East. So, Boston's offer would need to be markedly better than that of a team in another division.

And while the Yankees still don't appear to be involved, it's clear now that Ricciardi has engaged the other AL East superpower. Boston's motivation to acquire Halladay may have increased Sunday, as veteran starter John Smoltz allowed six earned runs in five innings against Baltimore.

Red Sox GM Theo Epstein would almost certainly need to include Buchholz in the deal. Ricciardi would naturally request Boston's top pitching prospect — Buchholz — because he has demanded the same price from the Phillies, long believed to be the frontrunner for Halladay.

In fact, sources said Ricciardi has asked that two of Philadelphia's top pitching prospects be included in the deal, right-hander Kyle Drabek and left-hander J.A. Happ. Thus far, the Phillies have only been willing to include Drabek or Happ.


The Angels strengthened their offer on Friday and remain one of the most likely suitors for Halladay if he doesn't go to Philadelphia. Halladay has a no-trade clause but the Red Sox, Phillies and Angels are among the teams to which he would approve a deal, according to people familiar with his thinking.


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Postby Trent Steele » Sun Jul 26, 2009 17:30:20

Wizlah wrote:wait, what am I missing? why so sure he's going to the angels?



In response to the BJ's proposal of Happ, Drabek, Brown, Rube responded with an offer that was worse than than an offer Toronto already had in its pocket (Jered Weaver, Brandon Wood, and more) and rejected

Terrible negotiating strategy if you really want Halladay. You need to at least match the best offer out there or you force Riccardi to negotiate with Anaheim instead, which I'm sure is exactly what he is doing.

He will end up on the Angels
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Postby FTN » Sun Jul 26, 2009 17:31:28

Nail in the coffin

Smuggy played his hand. This is the team we have going forward and its a good team

No pressure on Happ, Drabek and Brown going forward, eh?

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Postby Trent Steele » Sun Jul 26, 2009 17:34:57

FTN wrote:Nail in the coffin

Smuggy played his hand. This is the team we have going forward and its a good team

No pressure on Happ, Drabek and Brown going forward, eh?


I'm dead serious when I say he's going to the Angels. Amaro absolutely overplayed his hand. The Angels offer was fairly common knowledge 48 hour ago.

If I'm JP, I dont talk to the Phillies until they come up with an offer that is better than the Angels offer I rejected. As a result, the Phillies have no choice but to make a 2nd offer without a counterproposal from Toronto. They are probably too smug to do it. Total negotiating fail. He should have came back with Drabek, Happ, and 2-3 non-Brown/Taylor/Knapp pieces

Bidding against your own bid is an awesome strategy
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Postby FTN » Sun Jul 26, 2009 17:35:53

I bet you a dollar we end up trading Drabek, Happ and Brown for Lee after Halladay goes to the Angels or Red Sox

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Postby lowcountry » Sun Jul 26, 2009 17:36:22

FTN wrote:Nail in the coffin

Smuggy played his hand. This is the team we have going forward and its a good team

No pressure on Happ, Drabek and Brown going forward, eh?


Could you be more negative?
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Postby dajafi » Sun Jul 26, 2009 17:38:08

This is Brandon Wood of the .529 career OPS in the majors?

I know he's young, smallish (219 plate appearances) sample size, he's more valuable as an IF, etc. And no argument on the excellence of Weaver. But I'm not sold that's a more attractive offer, all things considered, than our counter.

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Postby traderdave » Sun Jul 26, 2009 17:38:46

I heart Doc but I have to starting admitting to myself that Drabek really appears to have the goods. I would like to see the team add some bullpen depth and a right-handed bat but otherwise I'm fine going to war with what we have and not give too much for Halladay. The one nice thing now though is that the Phils aren't bidding against themselves anymore. So if they really want them they can feel somewhat justified in giving up a big package to get him.

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Postby FTN » Sun Jul 26, 2009 17:40:05

lowcountry wrote:
FTN wrote:Nail in the coffin

Smuggy played his hand. This is the team we have going forward and its a good team

No pressure on Happ, Drabek and Brown going forward, eh?


Could you be more negative?


its not negativity, its reality

i said it before, we're not dealing with a rational actor. We have the strongest position but not the only one. Halladay may prefer us, but i bet he prefers the angels over staying in toronto

i heard the angels offered saunders and not weaver

and i said two days ago i wasnt confident we'd get this done

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Postby cshort » Sun Jul 26, 2009 17:41:52

Where is the info on the Angels' offer coming from? The Angels or Blue Jays? How do we know it isn't JPR just throwing it out there to see if he can get the Phils to raise their bid? And why wouldn't the Jays accept it now? If they wait, couldn't the Angels turn their attention to Lee and walk away from this deal? I'm not buying it.
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Postby dajafi » Sun Jul 26, 2009 17:41:54

Thinking about it, if the Angels offered Weaver for Halladay straight up, that's almost enough right there. But I have trouble believing he was included, and if he was, then JP is hopeless anyway--short of us including Hamels and Utley, it's likely not happening.

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Postby Trent Steele » Sun Jul 26, 2009 17:42:01

According to Gordon Edes

The Angels did indeed make a run at Halladay, offering Jered Weaver(notes) plus the Blue Jays’ pick of outfield or infield prospects, including Brandon Wood(notes), but it wasn’t enough.
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