Monkeyboy wrote:then I misunderstood your post, which is a pretty common thing with your posts.

that's probably because you don't read very well

and I have no idea what the 3rd line means, though I've seen it referenced on this board many times. I get it's a running gag, but I didn't see the origin so I don't get it.

Actually it's a coarse paraphrase of one of Woody's bon mots, & so far as I know only he divines its meaning. And even he may not.

"Getting" things is overrated anyway.

My guess on Kendrick: Lopez is hurt again, and they don't want to call up someone good who might be involved in a deadline deal so he can get shelled at the MLB level, or so he can do so well that it will cause even more consternation about how Pedro fits in. No one wil lcare if Kendrick comes up and pitches a perfect game or gets shelled; when it is time for Pedro to come up, Pedro will take his place.

mozartpc27 wrote:My guess on Kendrick: Lopez is hurt again, and they don't want to call up someone good who might be involved in a deadline deal so he can get shelled at the MLB level, or so he can do so well that it will cause even more consternation about how Pedro fits in. No one wil lcare if Kendrick comes up and pitches a perfect game or gets shelled; when it is time for Pedro to come up, Pedro will take his place.

Why would you make the move before Sunday then? Makes no sense.

Lopez sent down and Kendrick to be the long man out of the pen until Saturday when Halladay starts.

ek wrote:imagine if the team was playing poorly. actually, if they were, it'd likely increase our chances of trading for him

Right; I hope the one-the-field Phillies aren't playing themselves out of Halladay (not that it would be the on-the-field Phillies fault, of course, but rather the stupid FO's fault).

Trent Steele wrote:

mozartpc27 wrote:My guess on Kendrick: Lopez is hurt again, and they don't want to call up someone good who might be involved in a deadline deal so he can get shelled at the MLB level, or so he can do so well that it will cause even more consternation about how Pedro fits in. No one wil lcare if Kendrick comes up and pitches a perfect game or gets shelled; when it is time for Pedro to come up, Pedro will take his place.

Why would you make the move before Sunday then? Makes no sense.

Long man out of the pen. Durbin threw 3 innings last night and won't be availalbe for a few days. That leaves only Condrey as a semi long man.

uncle milt wrote:a not loaded question to monkeyboy: how can halladay help less than people think in terms of the world series? being able to put the best pitcher in baseball out their twice in a 7 game series (we're making the playoffs), along with last year's MVP, is huger than the hugest of huges.

small sample size. On average, he'll maybe give up 1 run less than whoever else they would put out there, 2 if we're lucky. How many games are decided by 1 run, by 2 runs? And even if he does help us win one of those 2 games, what is the chance it will be the difference in the series? I think he'd be much more of a help with winning the 2010 division because it's a long season where he may make the difference of 4 or 5 games in the standings.

Plus, there are unknowns, like how will he pitch in Philly or under the bright lights of the playoffs?

mozartpc27 wrote:My guess on Kendrick: Lopez is hurt again, and they don't want to call up someone good who might be involved in a deadline deal so he can get shelled at the MLB level, or so he can do so well that it will cause even more consternation about how Pedro fits in. No one wil lcare if Kendrick comes up and pitches a perfect game or gets shelled; when it is time for Pedro to come up, Pedro will take his place.

Why would they call up Kendrick now, though, if his next start isn't for five days? Wouldn't they call up Walker or Escalona instead?

Edit: Looks like I was late on this.

The tribe has spoken.

Trent Steele wrote:

mozartpc27 wrote:My guess on Kendrick: Lopez is hurt again, and they don't want to call up someone good who might be involved in a deadline deal so he can get shelled at the MLB level, or so he can do so well that it will cause even more consternation about how Pedro fits in. No one wil lcare if Kendrick comes up and pitches a perfect game or gets shelled; when it is time for Pedro to come up, Pedro will take his place.

Why would you make the move before Sunday then? Makes no sense.

No time like the present? I have no idea. Just a guess. I just can't imagine the Phillies getting anything good for Kendrick, so it's hard to imagine him being involved in any deal except to replace someone on our roster; the logical person he would be replacing is Lopez.

I hope Amaro proves me wrong here.

Monkeyboy wrote:

uncle milt wrote:a not loaded question to monkeyboy: how can halladay help less than people think in terms of the world series? being able to put the best pitcher in baseball out their twice in a 7 game series (we're making the playoffs), along with last year's MVP, is huger than the hugest of huges.

small sample size. On average, he'll maybe give up 1 run less than whoever else they would put out there, 2 if we're lucky. How many games are decided by 1 run, by 2 runs? And even if he does help us win one of those 2 games, what is the chance it will be the difference in the series? I think he'd be much more of a help with winning the 2010 division because it's a long season where he may make the difference of 4 or 5 games in the standings.

Plus, there are unknowns, like how will he pitch in Philly or under the bright lights of the playoffs?

So you think Halladay would likely be only one or two runs per game different than Lopez for the rest of the year?

Monty did a piss poor job of killing the Halladay hard on

somebody doesn't know what small sample size means

drsmooth wrote:
that's probably because you don't read very well

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Yes, I'm a bad reader. Apparently, there are a lot of bad readers when it comes to your posts. But don't go changin'. I generally like the style.

Monkeyboy wrote:

uncle milt wrote:a not loaded question to monkeyboy: how can halladay help less than people think in terms of the world series? being able to put the best pitcher in baseball out their twice in a 7 game series (we're making the playoffs), along with last year's MVP, is huger than the hugest of huges.

small sample size. On average, he'll maybe give up 1 run less than whoever else they would put out there, 2 if we're lucky. How many games are decided by 1 run, by 2 runs? And even if he does help us win one of those 2 games, what is the chance it will be the difference in the series? I think he'd be much more of a help with winning the 2010 division because it's a long season where he may make the difference of 4 or 5 games in the standings.

Plus, there are unknowns, like how will he pitch in Philly or under the bright lights of the playoffs?

You're grasping at straws here. Halladay is nasty, and you're lying to yourself if you don't think Halladay + Hamels + whoever is a SIGNIFICANT playoff upgrade versus Hamels + whoever + whoever.

I want you think back to the 2007 playoffs when we had to pitch Kyle Kendrick vs. the Colorado Rockies. And then make your argument again

People are getting cranky

I hope Ricciardi has fun explaining to Jays fans why, in the end, they only ended up getting 2 draft picks for Halladay

Woody wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

uncle milt wrote:a not loaded question to monkeyboy: how can halladay help less than people think in terms of the world series? being able to put the best pitcher in baseball out their twice in a 7 game series (we're making the playoffs), along with last year's MVP, is huger than the hugest of huges.

small sample size. On average, he'll maybe give up 1 run less than whoever else they would put out there, 2 if we're lucky. How many games are decided by 1 run, by 2 runs? And even if he does help us win one of those 2 games, what is the chance it will be the difference in the series? I think he'd be much more of a help with winning the 2010 division because it's a long season where he may make the difference of 4 or 5 games in the standings.

Plus, there are unknowns, like how will he pitch in Philly or under the bright lights of the playoffs?

You're grasping at straws here. Halladay is nasty, and you're lying to yourself if you don't think Halladay + Hamels + whoever is a SIGNIFICANT playoff upgrade versus Hamels + whoever + whoever.

I want you think back to the 2007 playoffs when we had to pitch Kyle Kendrick vs. the Colorado Rockies. And then make your argument again

why, is kendrick going to pitch in the playoffs this year? How about you think about who might actually pitch in the playoffs this year and you make your argument again. Blanton, Happ, and Moyer are all much better options than Kendrick. Heck, so are Lopez and Pedro and Myers.

But I am worried about Hamels at the top of the rotation.

jerseyhoya wrote:People are getting cranky

Yeah, this is tough. It's weird when you know your GM is basically playing a game of chicken against another team's GM, and there are no other factors. I think, for example, if the Mets and Dodgers were both involved, there would be a lot less debate: get Halladay if it costs you Drabek, because not only do you get Halladay, but the Mets and Dodgers don't. Since it appears that it's the Phillies or nobody, we have no common enemy. So we fight amongst ourselves.

Yeah, me too. People keep saying they won last year with the staff. Last year Hamels wasn't effed up. They need Halladay to help in the playoffs. B/c Blanton, as well as he's pitched lately, and Moyer, are both capable of crapping the bed.

I'd like to get Halladay, try and wrap up the division as quick as possible, and let the arms rest this year. Heck, they get Halladay, they can let Hamels rest once in a while. It's a great move to make