Monty kills the Halladay hard on

by **drsmooth** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 15:13:26

jerseyhoya wrote:People are getting cranky

vague memories of a condition known quaintly as blue balls, & the possibility it is incipient, will do that to a body

by **Woody** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 15:13:32

Oh, well case closed. who needs him

by **Bucky** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 15:14:02

quick people we only have two pages to think up a new thread title

by **Grotewold** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 15:14:18

Let's not argue in front of the kids

by **Bucky** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 15:14:53

Grotewold wrote:Let's not argue in front of the kids

FINE THEN YOU STOP STARTING THE ARGUMENTS

by **The Dude** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 15:15:36

you all just shut up and let me think

by **Woody** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 15:16:42

1. Choose the rotation you'd rather have in a playoff series:

A) Halladay, Hamels, Blanton, Happ
B) Hamels, Blanton, Happ, Moyer
C) It doesn't matter, just get any four pitchers because they're all just a crapshoot not likely to make a difference
D) trout

by **dajafi** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 15:16:52

Warszawa wrote:I hope Ricciardi has fun explaining to Jays fans why, in the end, they only ended up getting 2 draft picks for Halladay

I have to admit there's a part of me that would looooove to see this. But there are two problems: one, he'd be gone by the time it happened, so it would be the new GM waving buh-bye as Halladay signs with the Cardinals/Red Sox/whoever; and two, the odds are much, much better that he'd go in some Santana-like deal, where the trading team gets bent over, rather than yield "only" the picks. In which case the fear is that he'd go to the Mets or some other direct competitor.

So let's just trade for him, huh?

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 15:18:23

Woody wrote:1. Choose the rotation you'd rather have in a playoff series:

A) Halladay, Hamels, Blanton, Happ
B) Hamels, Blanton, Happ, Moyer
C) It doesn't matter, just get any four pitchers because they're all just a crapshoot not likely to make a difference
D) trout

Ah, succinctly put. The answer is "A." Any other answer lands you in a mental institution.

by **WilliamC** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 15:19:47

I was thinking about looking into a Blue Jays message board to see what they or he was saying but I guess that doesn't really matter.

by **Woody** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 15:20:33

WilliamC wrote:I was thinking about looking into a Blue Jays message board to see what they or he was saying but I guess that doesn't really matter.

they have a BSG equivalent, www.lookslikeahomer,eh?.com

by **Trent Steele** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 15:20:43

ZO ZONE

But not including Drabek doesn't mean a deal can't be made. It just means the rest of the package changes, which Ken Rosenthal also writes.

No Drabek almost certainly would mean J.A. Happ is included. It also might mean the Phillies have to include Brown or Knapp. Maybe both.

Could the Blue Jays walk away from an offer of Happ, Knapp, Brown or Michael Taylor and another prospect like Jason Donald? That is a pretty serious package. Brown and Taylor are two of the top 25 prospects in baseball according to Baseball America. Knapp is in the top 50. Happ is a National League Rookie of the Year candidate.

And if the Blue Jays can't trade Halladay before the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline, they will have to trade him in the off-season or next season before the trade deadline. And the longer they wait, the less in return they receive because the team trading for him will have him for less time.

No Drabek, no Halladay?

It's possible, but I believe if the Phillies insist on keeping Drabek, they still have enough talent to make a deal happen. They just might have to give up more talent overall than if Drabek had been included.

And do I make this trade with the Phillies running away with the NL East? Absolutely. Sure, the Phillies can win the NL East without Halladay. But can they win the World Series? That's the question people should be asking.

by **phatj** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 15:21:07

Holy shit @ this thread. Go away for a weekend and look what happens.

by **Trent Steele** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 15:21:38

Happ, Knapp, Marson, Donald and I'm jizzing in yo face

by **Monkeyboy** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 15:21:40

I would love to get Halladay, in case you all missed it the first 5 times I said it.

I just don't want to give up 2 of our big 3 or weaken the big club by losing Happ.

The pressure is all on Toronto. J.P is feeling the heat and I think he needs to make a move this year. The fact that he set the deadline at July 28th tells me he doesn't want to have to accept a last minute crappy deal. He wouldn't be worried about it if he was sitting in a position of strength. He's backed into a corner and he may have even been mandated to make a move by the owners.

The Abreu deal comes to mind: One real suitor and a team that has to make a move.

by **jerseyhoya** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 15:23:07

phatj wrote:Holy $#@! @ this thread. Go away for a weekend and look what happens.

Haha, this is the third.

by **Monkeyboy** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 15:24:49

Woody wrote:1. Choose the rotation you'd rather have in a playoff series:

A) Halladay, Hamels, Blanton, Happ
B) Hamels, Blanton, Happ, Moyer
C) It doesn't matter, just get any four pitchers because they're all just a crapshoot not likely to make a difference
D) trout

I know you think you're being funny with choice "C", as if that's my position. I guess I could take your position and amplify it to the point of absurdity to make my point, if I was so inclined.

I would prefer "A," as would anyone with a brain. I just might not be willing to pay the price for it.

by **jerseyhoya** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 15:25:23

WilliamC wrote:I was thinking about looking into a Blue Jays message board to see what they or he was saying but I guess that doesn't really matter.

http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=ml-bluejays&tid=61405

joboogz beat you to the punch

by **Phan In Phlorida** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 15:25:45

Woody wrote:1. Choose the rotation you'd rather have in a playoff series:

A) Halladay, Hamels, Blanton, Happ
B) Hamels, Blanton, Happ, Moyer
C) It doesn't matter, just get any four pitchers because they're all just a crapshoot not likely to make a difference
D) trout

Halladay, Pedro, Hamels, Pedro

by **Woody** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 15:25:52

But you don't even know what the price is yet. All you have is kenrosenthisms and heman tweets

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