My bizarre Roy Halladay obsession

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:29:01

The Red Tornado wrote:If anything it may enable a trade as it frees up Happ to be part of a Halladay deal

I see the logic in this, but I'd still prefer to keep Happ even with Martinez, because, as much as I am all about signing Pedro, I think you have to consider him an unknown quantity at this point. If he ends up being terrible or if he gets hurt again or whatever, and you've traded Happ, you're in a situation where, going to the postseason, Moyer has to be your fourth starter. Yet this is exactly what the Martinez deal, in part, is designed to avoid.

Besides, if you keep Happ, for the rest of the season, you could theoretically use a six man rotation, consisting of:

Hamels
Halladay
Blanton
Happ
Martinez
Moyer

which would help to keep the innings down for everybody (a very good thing, probably, for Martinez, and definitely a good thing, I think, for Cole)or you could do the combine Moyer/Martinez into one pitcher idea (which I have to say, while it would never actually happen, I really kind of like), and then in the postseason, you can go simply with who's been throwing better in the fourth spot (Happ or Martinez), meanwhile having a very competent long relief guy waiting in the wings in the other. And if you keep Happ in the rotation instead of Martinez, you could use moyer as your long relief guy, and let Pedro dial it up for one inning appearances and turn him into a setup guy, which I'd be willing to bet he'd be really fuck-ing good at.

All a pipe dream I know. Too outside the box. If we get Martinez and Halladay, it will mean we gave up Happ. Fine, I say, but then we better be keeping 2/3 of Brown, Taylor, Drabek. Jayson Werth won't be cheap forever you know.

by **Grotewold** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:33:14

mozartpc27 wrote:If he ends up being terrible or if he gets hurt again or whatever, and you've traded Happ, you're in a situation where, going to the postseason, Moyer has to be your fourth starter.

That's an acceptable worst-case scenario, IMO, if you've got Halladay and Hamels pitching four or five of the games of the series. Moyer's been good in those big games (division clinchers, playoffs) more often than not.

I wouldn't toss Happ away like it's nothing, but nor would I let him hold up a Halladay deal.

by **JFLNYC** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:34:47

I'm all in on Pedro. But we have to be practical and realize that there's a reasonable possibility that he may: (a) stink; or (b) walk off the mound with a hamstring injury in the 3rd inning of his first start for the Phils.

by **FTN** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:35:19

Happ is pitching on borrowed time if you believe in FIP. I think hes a solid #5 starter. But don't let the shiny ERA fool you. If Toronto is fooled and it means we only give up 3 prospects + Happ, then sign me up.

Hamels
Halladay
Blanton
Moyer
Pedro/Carrasco/Carpenter/Worley/Lopez

is fine by me

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:38:23

Grotewold wrote:
mozartpc27 wrote:If he ends up being terrible or if he gets hurt again or whatever, and you've traded Happ, you're in a situation where, going to the postseason, Moyer has to be your fourth starter.

That's an acceptable worst-case scenario, IMO, if you've got Halladay and Hamels pitching four or five of the games of the series. Moyer's been good in those big games (division clinchers, playoffs) more often than not.

I wouldn't toss Happ away like it's nothing, but nor would I let him hold up a Halladay deal.

In the last analysis, neither would I, but I would look for a deal that avoided including Happ. Again, as a win-now type move, I think you need to leave the current 25 man roster in its best possible shape, and any version of the team with Happ is better than that same version but without Happ. In other words, a Phillies with Halladay and Happ is better than a Phillies with Halladay but no Happ; I'm not arguing that a Phillies with Halladay instead of Happ isn't better than the current version of the team, just that it's not as much better as I would ideally like.

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:39:08

You know, I've thought it over, and in addition to offering the Blue Jays Happp (contingent on a Martinez deal), Drabek, Carrasco, and a b-lister or two for Halladay, I'd be willing to offer them forgiveness for the 1993 World Series. I think that should clinch the deal.

by **SideshowBob** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:15:46

Don't know if there is a reason to believe it, but this says a Halladay to Phillies deal is imminent.

by **VFB** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:19:38

SideshowBob wrote:Don't know if there is a reason to believe it, but this says a Halladay to Phillies deal is imminent.

NIFOC

by **gpicaro** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:21:50

SideshowBob wrote:Don't know if there is a reason to believe it, but this says a Halladay to Phillies deal is imminent.

RT @TheRopolitans @rebecca_glass @adkwriter The "rumor" was busted. Don't give it the time of day. // There goes any + all of my credibility

by **The Red Tornado** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:22:40

Who's Rebecca Glass? Its from her twitter-

my buddy has an insider @ mlb - says public in an hour halladay to phils for 5 mils.

which makes no sense because you dont trade for 5 million or does "mils." mean something else?

by **Woody** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:22:47

BACK SHE GOES SERVER CRASH IMMINENT

by **Woody** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:23:12

The Red Tornado wrote:Who's Rebecca Glass? Its from her twitter-

my buddy has an insider @ mlb - says public in an hour halladay to phils for 5 mils.

which makes no sense because you dont trade for 5 million or does "mils." mean something else?

five minor leaguers. dude really

by **CFP** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:23:15

RT@pAuLiE_bRuZ: @TheRopolitans my buddy has an insider @ mlb - says public in an hour halladay to phils for 5 mils.

Really? You didn't think your credibility was going to be busted by saying Halladay was going to the Phils for "5 mils?"

by **gpicaro** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:23:39

The Red Tornado wrote:Who's Rebecca Glass? Its from her twitter-

my buddy has an insider @ mlb - says public in an hour halladay to phils for 5 mils.

which makes no sense because you dont trade for 5 million or does "mils." mean something else?

Maybe she was trying to say minor leaguers.

by **VFB** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:24:13

Halladay
Hamels
Pedro
Moyer
Chan Ho

by **The Red Tornado** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:24:56

Woody wrote:
The Red Tornado wrote:Who's Rebecca Glass? Its from her twitter-

my buddy has an insider @ mlb - says public in an hour halladay to phils for 5 mils.

which makes no sense because you dont trade for 5 million or does "mils." mean something else?

five minor leaguers. dude really

well "mils" is such a common abbreviation for minor leaguers?

by **The Dude** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:25:15

she meant MILFS people

by **The Red Tornado** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:25:34

VFB wrote:Halladay
Hamels
Pedro
Moyer
Chan Ho

where's Blanton and Happ? Traded?

by **The Dude** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:25:43

It's not common, but we knew it would be for 3-5 MILS depending on who was involved

by **SteveJeltzPhanClub** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:25:59

Well if nothing else, I can thank Rebecca Glass for my new signature.

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