2020-21 Phillies Offseason I: Under New Management!

Re: 2020-21 Phillies Offseason I: Under New Management?

Postby SixerLed3 » Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:43:32

Citing a loss of more than $145 million this year and similar budget projections — absent a coronavirus vaccine — in 2021, the Phillies this week began the process to “meaningfully reduce our costs as an organization” by offering many full-time employees a buyout package.

The team’s ownership had pledged to not impose layoffs through Oct. 31, but multiple club sources indicated layoffs are now expected in addition to the buyouts. The buyout package — which offers eligible employees one week’s worth of salary for every year of employment with the Phillies, plus subsidized health benefits and a $10,000 lump-sum payment — targets many of the organization’s employees who are not in baseball operations.

“What I want you to know is that when confronted with ways of reducing our expenses in 2021 we are always going to prioritize preserving as many positions as practical,” team president Andy MacPhail said in an email Wednesday to all employees, obtained by The Athletic. “Regrettably, it is inescapable that the workforce will undergo a reduction in size.”


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Re: 2020-21 Phillies Offseason I: Under New Management?

Postby Grotewold » Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:49:35

Season ticket renewals are due mid-October, fwiw

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Re: 2020-21 Phillies Offseason I: Under New Management?

Postby Wheels Tupay » Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:34:37

TempleFan22 wrote:Klentak staying would be a disaster.


If he stays, lets switch to an A's board for a year. West Coast Trip game threads year long
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Re: 2020-21 Phillies Offseason I: Under New Management?

Postby rolex » Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:59:53

Wheels Tupay wrote:
TempleFan22 wrote:Klentak staying would be a disaster.


If he stays, lets switch to an A's board for a year. West Coast Trip game threads year long

:-D My Grandad was a huge A's fan. When they left town he was ticked. He refused to root for the Phillies feeling that they were only a tax dodge for the Dupont family. Its sad to say but based upon performance, the A's have done one heck of a lot better than the Phillies since they left town and under more adverse financial considerations.

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Re: 2020-21 Phillies Offseason I: Under New Management?

Postby MoBettle » Tue Sep 29, 2020 13:14:56

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Re: 2020-21 Phillies Offseason I: Under New Management?

Postby MFP » Tue Sep 29, 2020 14:16:13

YMMV but I find Salisbury's quotes on 97.5 regarding Klentak to be kind of encouraging that a change could be coming.

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"There has been no decision made, but I think you need to make one soon. My feeling on what is happening, if John Middleton was 100% behind Matt Klentak as his GM, wouldn't he have put out some statement yesterday at 9am that he would be back?"

"The longer it goes on, I think that maybe a change is coming. But I am not going to say that a change is coming, I don't know, I don't think anyone really knows."

"If a change is made, I can say that it is justified. Things just aren't going in the right direction, and that isn't just stuff that you see on the surface."

(About the Angels' GM change) "Billy Eppler was there as GM for 5 years, 0 winning seasons. Matt Klentak has been here 5 years with 0 winning seasons. They were both there in LA before Eppler got the job over him."

"It is just amazing that a big city like Philadelphia, with a 207 million dollar payroll, signing 3 big free agents over the last 3 seasons, coming out of a rebuild and now it looks like you need to go back into a rebuild in some areas. It is just unthinkable."

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Re: 2020-21 Phillies Offseason I: Under New Management?

Postby mtcal » Tue Sep 29, 2020 15:03:36

"There has been no decision made, but I think you need to make one soon. My feeling on what is happening, if John Middleton was 100% behind Matt Klentak as his GM, wouldn't he have put out some statement yesterday at 9am that he would be back?"

this sounds familiar...
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Re: 2020-21 Phillies Offseason I: Under New Management?

Postby Wheels Tupay » Tue Sep 29, 2020 15:20:39

MoBettle wrote:Elephants are cool


Yeah they are. Great logo
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Re: 2020-21 Phillies Offseason I: Under New Management?

Postby Grotewold » Tue Sep 29, 2020 15:43:02

if John Middleton was 100% behind Matt Klentak as his GM, wouldn't he have put out some statement yesterday at 9am that he would be back?"


That's a really good point. Even on Sunday night. It would have been partly/heavily buried by the Eagles.

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Re: 2020-21 Phillies Offseason I: Under New Management?

Postby BigEd76 » Tue Sep 29, 2020 16:03:33

Brookover about to be on 97.5

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Re: 2020-21 Phillies Offseason I: Under New Management?

Postby MFP » Tue Sep 29, 2020 16:13:10

Grotewold wrote:
if John Middleton was 100% behind Matt Klentak as his GM, wouldn't he have put out some statement yesterday at 9am that he would be back?"


That's a really good point. Even on Sunday night. It would have been partly/heavily buried by the Eagles.

I mean, this is really starting to play out like Kapler last year. And if Middleton hems and haws and for whatever reason ultimately decides to bring Klentak back, chances are he'd be criticized even harder for that than he would have if he just announced it early like Salisbury said.

On a related note, one of the reasons that I felt like the longer deliberation last year with Kapler pointed more towards him being gone was that if the process stretched out too long, there was a strong likelihood that it would've undercut Kapler's authority if he came back since the perception would have been that his job was hanging by a thread since it took a week or so to decide whether he'd return. Same thing seems to apply here with Klentak. Every trade partner and player agent would realize that they have supreme leverage over him.

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Re: 2020-21 Phillies Offseason I: Under New Management?

Postby Monkeyboy » Tue Sep 29, 2020 17:41:34

rolex wrote:
Wheels Tupay wrote:
TempleFan22 wrote:Klentak staying would be a disaster.


If he stays, lets switch to an A's board for a year. West Coast Trip game threads year long

:-D My Grandad was a huge A's fan. When they left town he was ticked. He refused to root for the Phillies feeling that they were only a tax dodge for the Dupont family. Its sad to say but based upon performance, the A's have done one heck of a lot better than the Phillies since they left town and under more adverse financial considerations.


My grandfather was also an A's fan originally, though in his case he switched to the Phillies. He hated the ones responsible for taking the A's out of town.
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Re: 2020-21 Phillies Offseason I: Under New Management?

Postby swishnicholson » Tue Sep 29, 2020 18:11:57

BigEd76 wrote:Brookover about to be on 97.5


I would find that thread on worst sports articles and post Brookover's from this morning, but he's not worth the time.
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Re: 2020-21 Phillies Offseason I: Under New Management?

Postby BigEd76 » Tue Sep 29, 2020 18:33:01

audio

-- No updates on Klentak. 50/50 feeling at CBP
-- Thinks they should've kept Pivetta for the bullpen
-- Unsure of MacPhail's status. Thinks Gillick may offer feedback
-- Argument for keeping Klentak: 1) hard to judge based on 60 games including 8 DHs, 2) Bohm and Brogdon look OK so far, 3) ?????
-- Lots of teams will be cutting salary this offseason

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Re: 2020-21 Phillies Offseason I: Under New Management?

Postby swishnicholson » Tue Sep 29, 2020 21:33:17

Be still my heart: got a reply from Greg dobbs on Twitter after he got locked in a battle with a troll after a tweet from Kevin Frandsen. Little embarrassing that he then followed me when I wasn't following him yet.
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Re: 2020-21 Phillies Offseason I: Under New Management!

Postby Bucky » Sun Oct 04, 2020 21:48:44

think i'm done with middleton

he just did an interview where he talked about spending money for next year, and i will paraphrase what he said: 'when the governor and mayor can tell me how many people i can have in the stands, then i can figure out how much money we can spend'.

not about the uncertainty surrounding the pandemic or the economy. nope, it's the governor and mayor that are screwing him.

@#$% that guy

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Re: 2020-21 Phillies Offseason I: Under New Management!

Postby MoBettle » Mon Oct 05, 2020 08:51:54

https://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown ... -for-2020/

Based upon the 25 metered MLB RSNs for 2020 in the U.S., viewership was up 4.2% for the 60-game regular season based on P2+ (people ages 2 and up) from the start of the season on July 23 through September 27. That’s promising news for a league that had to compete with the NBA and the NHL, which pushed their seasons in the wake of the pandemic. Unsurprisingly given their market size, the Yankees and the Dodgers led the way in average viewers per game, followed by the Phillies, and Cubs.


Phillies up 10% year over year. Maybe the bullpen was a ratings grab.
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Re: 2020-21 Phillies Offseason I: Under New Management!

Postby JFLNYC » Mon Oct 05, 2020 09:05:05

Kind of like a train wreck.
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Re: 2020-21 Phillies Offseason I: Under New Management!

Postby The B1G Piece » Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:59:22

Bucky wrote:think i'm done with middleton

he just did an interview where he talked about spending money for next year, and i will paraphrase what he said: 'when the governor and mayor can tell me how many people i can have in the stands, then i can figure out how much money we can spend'.

not about the uncertainty surrounding the pandemic or the economy. nope, it's the governor and mayor that are screwing him.

@#$% that guy

Maybe hire people who are less shitty at revenue forecasting in a pandemic?

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Re: 2020-21 Phillies Offseason I: Under New Management!

Postby mtcal » Mon Oct 05, 2020 14:00:03

The B1G Piece wrote:
Bucky wrote:think i'm done with middleton

he just did an interview where he talked about spending money for next year, and i will paraphrase what he said: 'when the governor and mayor can tell me how many people i can have in the stands, then i can figure out how much money we can spend'.

not about the uncertainty surrounding the pandemic or the economy. nope, it's the governor and mayor that are screwing him.

@#$% that guy

Maybe hire people who are less #$!&@ at revenue forecasting in a pandemic?


i thought JT trade and bryce signing and all were before we knew there'd be zero fans and 60 instead of 162 games in the season.
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