by WhiteyFan » Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:42:32
BigEd76 wrote:Heyman says it's not a guarantee that Klentak is fired, then he throws out the idea that the Phils might use JT's money towards Bauer instead
by BigEd76 » Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:07:20
by kruker » Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:11:03
WhiteyFan wrote:BigEd76 wrote:Heyman says it's not a guarantee that Klentak is fired, then he throws out the idea that the Phils might use JT's money towards Bauer instead
Im good with both of these. Too soon to rebuild and I dont see how anyone thinks signing a 30yo catcher to a huge, long-term deal is the answer to fixing this team.
by Stripes » Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:32:44
BigEd76 wrote:Stay_Disappointed wrote:How much money do we save by letting all the free agents walk?
Arrieta = $20M
Didi = $14M
Bruce = $14M
JT = $10M
Workman = $3.5M
Alvarez = $2.95M
Hunter = $850K
Parker = $564K
A little under $66M, then you can save another $10M declining Robertson and $4.25M declining Phelps
by WhiteyFan » Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:48:58
kruker wrote:WhiteyFan wrote:BigEd76 wrote:Heyman says it's not a guarantee that Klentak is fired, then he throws out the idea that the Phils might use JT's money towards Bauer instead
Im good with both of these. Too soon to rebuild and I dont see how anyone thinks signing a 30yo catcher to a huge, long-term deal is the answer to fixing this team.
It's why some of us weren't fans of the trade to begin with. We weren't a single piece away from contending when we did it.
by MoBettle » Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:58:42
Stripes wrote:BigEd76 wrote:Stay_Disappointed wrote:How much money do we save by letting all the free agents walk?
Arrieta = $20M
Didi = $14M
Bruce = $14M
JT = $10M
Workman = $3.5M
Alvarez = $2.95M
Hunter = $850K
Parker = $564K
A little under $66M, then you can save another $10M declining Robertson and $4.25M declining Phelps
I think we were only paying Bruce a fraction of that $14 million. SEA/SD paying the rest. Could be wrong, though.
3. Phillies
2020 projected payroll: $177.0 million
2021 payroll obligations: $113.7 million (seven players including Odubel Herrera)
2021 notable arbitration-eligibles: Rhys Hoskins, Seranthony Dominguez
Jake Arrieta and David Robertson come off the books this offseason and that's a lot of money for not much production. Jay Bruce is an expensive bench player (or DH) and he'll become a free agent as well. That's the good news. The bad news is the Phillies still have to re-sign J.T. Realmuto, arguably the game's best all-around catcher, and he's one of the few free agents who could get a market rate contract this winter rather than something well below his actual worth. Re-signing Realmuto is a priority.
Hoskins will get a decent raise as a first time arbitration-eligible player, but the rest of Philadelphia's arbitration class is made up of injured players who won't command much (Seranthony Dominguez) or non-tender candidates (Deolis Guerra, Andrew Knapp, Nick Pivetta, Vince Velasquez, etc.) who can be easily replaced. The core aside from Realmuto and Hoskins is locked up, giving the Phillies the flexibility to take advantage of what figures to be a depressed free agent market. They're in pretty good shape even if payroll comes down a bit.
by Stay_Disappointed » Mon Sep 28, 2020 13:22:33
by Stay_Disappointed » Mon Sep 28, 2020 13:24:06
philliesphhan wrote:Stay_Disappointed wrote:MoBettle wrote:Vince seems like a no offer at that number.
3.6? That’s chump change
I think Neris is a more interesting decision
He's a chump though. You don't pay replacement level players 3.6 million dollars on purpose
by ek20 » Mon Sep 28, 2020 13:36:28
by Grotewold » Mon Sep 28, 2020 13:41:09
ek20 wrote:Brookover
by Wheels Tupay » Mon Sep 28, 2020 13:43:19
Stay_Disappointed wrote:philliesphhan wrote:Stay_Disappointed wrote:MoBettle wrote:Vince seems like a no offer at that number.
3.6? That’s chump change
I think Neris is a more interesting decision
He's a chump though. You don't pay replacement level players 3.6 million dollars on purpose
I guess you’re right - Medina couldn’t do any worse for less money
by MFP » Mon Sep 28, 2020 13:45:32
ek20 wrote:Brookover says a source tells him klentak won't be fired
by thephan » Mon Sep 28, 2020 13:47:38
by MoBettle » Mon Sep 28, 2020 13:51:10
MFP wrote:ek20 wrote:Brookover says a source tells him klentak won't be fired
Not saying this is completely inaccurate because anything's possible but:
1. Consider the source.
2. Feels like this was the word about Kapler this time last year and we know how that turned out.
by MFP » Mon Sep 28, 2020 13:53:03
MoBettle wrote:MFP wrote:ek20 wrote:Brookover says a source tells him klentak won't be fired
Not saying this is completely inaccurate because anything's possible but:
1. Consider the source.
2. Feels like this was the word about Kapler this time last year and we know how that turned out.
Also don't think anyone really knows what's gonna happen besides Middleton.
by Ace Rothstein » Mon Sep 28, 2020 13:53:59
by TempleFan22 » Mon Sep 28, 2020 13:54:03
by BigEd76 » Mon Sep 28, 2020 13:56:31
by MoBettle » Mon Sep 28, 2020 14:03:38
by MFP » Mon Sep 28, 2020 14:10:30
Eleven months ago, general manager Matt Klentak warmed his own seat when he proclaimed, "No questions, it's time to win now." The 2020 Phillies, despite a club-record payroll and a generous eight-team postseason field, did not do that. They finished four games under .500 and have not had a winning season in Klentak's five years...
Major League Baseball discourages major announcements during its postseason, which begins Tuesday and runs for a month. That makes Monday — today — a big day. The Los Angeles Angels have already announced the firing of their GM, Billy Eppler, after five losing seasons.
Middleton was not available for comment Monday, but that doesn't mean he wasn't working through this situation. He had previously made it clear that he wouldn't be happy if this club didn't make the playoffs and his Monday is likely being spent asking piercing questions.
Klentak declined to discuss his performance or future last week but indicated he would after the season. It's not clear when that time will come. General managers usually hold an end-of-season news conference, but the uncertainty of Klentak's status could impact the timing of that.
Klentak does have two more years remaining on his contract and that could work in his favor. Ownership is on record as saying that the Phillies will lose well over $100 million because of the pandemic this year. The club promised to keep all of its full-time employees through October, but buyout packages have been offered and layoffs are possible. Would the club be willing to let Klentak go, pay him for two years and add a new, high-salaried GM in these difficult economic times?
Only Middleton can answer these questions, and he must do that at some point soon because Klentak's status, either way, is a major issue as the team embarks on a crucial offseason.
