Sixers 2020 Offseason Thread 1.0

by **Napalm** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:16:44

06hawkalum wrote:
Napalm wrote:That assessment is honestly terrible to hear, and Kendrick Perkins is one of the last people I want weighing in on this.

Why do you prefer Lue to Rivers?

Less body of work, believe it or not. Those other guys already have shapely foundations, and they may have their work cut out for them to fit that with our unique puzzle. Lue, I think he can mold something new, and I think our 2 franchise guys would be most receptive to him.

just call it a feeling

by **Bill McNeal** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:18:53

I’m here for a shapely foundation

by **Gimpy** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:21:43

06hawkalum wrote:
Napalm wrote:That assessment is honestly terrible to hear, and Kendrick Perkins is one of the last people I want weighing in on this.

Why do you prefer Lue to Rivers?

Rivers gets great reviews from media members because he’s super nice to them. He seems like a good coach, but his track record isn’t really that great.

He was close to getting let go in Boston when they formed the league’s only super team. That team got taken to the limit in every round of the EC playoffs against mediocre teams before winning their only championship. They were the league’s only super team for three years and they made two finals appearances, winning one.

He coached the Pierce/Garnett Celtics for three more years before the team was blown up and he went to coach the Lob City Clips to avoid rebuilding. He never got the Chris Paul/Blake Griffin Clippers past the second round and underachieved with this year’s title favorites. The Celtics that he left so that he could avoid rebuilding have made the ECF three times in the seven years that he’s been gone while his teams have never gone as far.

Guys who played for him also have mixed reviews of him. Multiple players have said they didn’t like him and that he played favorites.

by **Napalm** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:12:06

Bill McNeal wrote:I’m here for a shapely foundation

I guess to add on to Gimpy's assessment of Rivers, you know what you're gonna get, and I've seen it all before.

I'd be happy with D'Antoni as my runner up, because it seems like he could think outside the box more. For my money, the best balance in the locker room and on the court might be Lue.

by **JFLNYC** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:18:45

None of them excites me. I'd pick D'Antoni simply because he'll make the offense the most entertaining.

by **MFP** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:22:32

D'Antoni would be third on my list of the three main candidates for the simple fact that his hiring seems on the surface the likeliest of the three to break up the Simmons/Embiid pairing and I think the Sixers' main aim in any hiring should be doing whatever they can to maximize those two before blowing it up.

by **Grotewold** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:27:30

Optimizing Tobias is kind of a stealth priority for me. Can't tell whether Rivers (who has already gotten a lot from him) or D'Antoni would be best there.

by **SixerLed3** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:41:54

@ShamsCharania
Former Clippers coach Doc Rivers will meet with the 76ers in the Philadelphia area, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/statu ... 0273998851

by **Houshphandzadeh** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:42:28

I still want D'Antoni. just a giant among the others as far as innovation and designing systems, also a great track record of maximizing players in Phoenix and Houston who were pretty mediocre everywhere else

by **Napalm** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:43:43

MFP wrote:D'Antoni would be third on my list of the three main candidates for the simple fact that his hiring seems on the surface the likeliest of the three to break up the Simmons/Embiid pairing and I think the Sixers' main aim in any hiring should be doing whatever they can to maximize those two before blowing it up.

I can't imagine management is that dumb, setting up the dominoes to fall like that. If D'Antoni is picked as the guy, it's gotta be clear that he's all in with those two leading the cast.

by **MoBettle** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:45:00

Consensus was Rivers was an amazing coach as recently as a year ago with what he did with that starless clippers team. Unless he’s pushing for team control I think he’s a really strong buy low opportunity.

Also he’s already helped Tobias and Blake got 3rd in MVP voting playing a role similar to the sort of 4 man role that makes sense for Ben.

by **jamiethekiller** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:45:35

IL BAFFO PER FAVORE

by **Napalm** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:48:18

MoBettle wrote:Consensus was Rivers was an amazing coach as recently as a year ago with what he did with that starless clippers team. Unless he’s pushing for team control I think he’s a really strong buy low opportunity.

Also he’s already helped Tobias and Blake got 3rd in MVP voting playing a role similar to the sort of 4 man role that makes sense for Ben.

Can't shake the feeling that signing Doc is a lot like the Horford signing last year. Lots of past credentials, but a fading future.

by **CFP** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:49:20

At this point I'd say I'm looking for some sort of continuity. I'd like the next coach to be here for a significant period of time. Wouldn't we all, I guess. D'Antoni is approaching 70. On the surface that leads me to believe a panic move (trading Embiid) is likelier to try to speed up some sort of timeline for MDA. Rivers is 58, and seems to be the kind of guy you'd hire if you want to try to make things work with Ben and Jo. It might take a few years, but it would at least feel like a panic move is less necessary.

by **Napalm** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:51:49

Houshphandzadeh wrote:I still want D'Antoni. just a giant among the others as far as innovation and designing systems, also a great track record of maximizing players in Phoenix and Houston who were pretty mediocre everywhere else

What were the returns during his time here? I can't remember how much was attributed to him, but it's nice to know that it served as a launching off point.

by **Houshphandzadeh** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:55:56

Napalm wrote:
Houshphandzadeh wrote:I still want D'Antoni. just a giant among the others as far as innovation and designing systems, also a great track record of maximizing players in Phoenix and Houston who were pretty mediocre everywhere else

What were the returns during his time here? I can't remember how much was attributed to him, but it's nice to know that it served as a launching off point.

I honestly hardly remember a mention of what he did here other than the hiring. also was pre-Ben

by **WilliamC** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:56:59

I thought people here hated Rivers not so long ago. I don't think he would be a bad choice. Would people have been happy with Vogel if he were to be still available? I've always thought he was a really good coach and he got ripped to shreds by some here and the media saying he was going to be replaced after ten games. My top two were Lue and Donovan. I like D'antoni and even though he doesn't seem his age(basketball version of Pete Carroll) how many years does he have left? Rivers seems to have lost fire and I know that is subjective and it's just a personal opinion.

by **MFP** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:06:46

CFP wrote:At this point I'd say I'm looking for some sort of continuity. I'd like the next coach to be here for a significant period of time. Wouldn't we all, I guess. D'Antoni is approaching 70. On the surface that leads me to believe a panic move (trading Embiid) is likelier to try to speed up some sort of timeline for MDA. Rivers is 58, and seems to be the kind of guy you'd hire if you want to try to make things work with Ben and Jo. It might take a few years, but it would at least feel like a panic move is less necessary.

This is where I am too. Whether Doc or Lue is ultimately the best fit for Simmons/Embiid can be debated, but it feels really difficult on the surface to see MDA's style fitting with those two, even if he says he's committed to making it work. Also, like Grote said, Doc has a history of getting a lot out of Tobias, which is another plus in his column IMO.

by **azrider** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:17:31

Napalm wrote:
Houshphandzadeh wrote:I still want D'Antoni. just a giant among the others as far as innovation and designing systems, also a great track record of maximizing players in Phoenix and Houston who were pretty mediocre everywhere else

What were the returns during his time here? I can't remember how much was attributed to him, but it's nice to know that it served as a launching off point.

that covington 4 point shot. he was the one who introduced brown to that concept.

by **azrider** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 13:39:21

with regard to rivers... good coach, but more of a high floor guy. think he's good in the macro sense and won't disappoint with a good team in the regular season. he'll get more out of the lesser talent too. he's not going to steal you a series though and much of what gimpy stated true. chicago would've been a great landing spot for him, but billy D is so similar. i liked billy d and would prefer him over rivers for the simple fact that he had only one nba stop and there's that chance for growth. with rivers, what you see is what you get. clearly not my first choice or 2nd but he is better than brett brown. i don't know how committed or excited MDA is having embiid, simmons, and horford on the same roster, but if i he isn't, give me rivers, he will make it work in the regular season and would be surprised by anything less than a 3 seed going in.

lue > rivers > d'antoni

of the names being thrown around.

wasn't a huge fan of lue at first because of a lebron affect, but going back maybe that wasn't fair. he's grown on me. his name hasn't come up much since the beginning, but i would take joerger over what's available.

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