Cheap players through the draft picks. Also, Richardson seems to be annoyed with how Ben/Jo are treated and he’s probably gone after this season since he’s due for a big raise.

joe table wrote:Ultimately what I think GSW will try to do is shop wiggins with the #2 pick to pick up a starter and probably have their sights set higher than Al

I’m just not sure what type of team that is attractive to though? Like what team has a good player making that kind of money and wants to completely rebuild while having Wiggins on the books?

What the warriors are trying to do with Wiggins is pretty funny, it’s basically silicon valley bullshit where they think they are smarter than everyone else and can convince some sucker that this guy that everyone agreed months was terrible on a terrible contract actually isn’t terrible.

MoBettle wrote:

joe table wrote:Ultimately what I think GSW will try to do is shop wiggins with the #2 pick to pick up a starter and probably have their sights set higher than Al

I’m just not sure what type of team that is attractive to though? Like what team a good player making that kind of money and wants to completely rebuild while having Wiggins on the books?

What the warriors are trying to do with Wiggins is pretty funny, it’s basically silicon valley #$!&@ where they think they are smarter than everyone else and can convince some sucker that this guy that everyone agreed months was terrible on a terrible contract actually isn’t terrible.

NOLA maybe with Jrue being the main piece coming back as he’s not gonna stick around there, slot Wiggins in with already strong young core there

Gimpy wrote:Cheap players through the draft picks. Also, Richardson seems to be annoyed with how Ben/Jo are treated and he’s probably gone after this season since he’s due for a big raise.

Agreed that j rich is lame duck but before making that move would thoroughly explore options to try to attach him to one of our 2 shit contracts as I think he still has value at his salary slot - plus we would just sell the picks we get from him so would prefer young players back. I do like Nunn from Mia as a bench scorer and kz okpala as a lotto ticket

I need to see them actually clean house in the front office before I can get that excited about potential moves.

I’ve met Wiggins. He loves Jo

MoBettle wrote:I need to see them actually clean house in the front office before I can get that excited about potential moves.

And I’m telling you I’m ready and available to step in and will continue to shitpoast here out of respect for you folks - I don’t know harris but know his Apollo business partner’s kid maybe that’s my intro

Also went to school with Grizz new nerd GM but he’s a dick so won’t get traction there

joe table wrote:

MoBettle wrote:

joe table wrote:Ultimately what I think GSW will try to do is shop wiggins with the #2 pick to pick up a starter and probably have their sights set higher than Al

I’m just not sure what type of team that is attractive to though? Like what team a good player making that kind of money and wants to completely rebuild while having Wiggins on the books?

What the warriors are trying to do with Wiggins is pretty funny, it’s basically silicon valley #$!&@ where they think they are smarter than everyone else and can convince some sucker that this guy that everyone agreed months was terrible on a terrible contract actually isn’t terrible.

NOLA maybe with Jrue being the main piece coming back as he’s not gonna stick around there, slot Wiggins in with already strong young core there

Isn’t Ingram already a better version of Wiggins?

Of course Ingram is better but Wiggins can play/guard 2 spot

I just don’t know if two ball dominant volume scorers on the same team will mix well with Zion.

I’d LOVE to get Jrue back though so if we can swing a three way where we send out Horford and get back Jrue, I’m 10,000% in.

I’d be surprised of Jrue wasn’t traded this offseason somewhere. Issue is he only has 1 year on his deal (then can decline player option) so not sure how much you can justify paying

Just randomly thought about when Horford shushed the crowd. Get him out of here at all costs(if possible)

He was right to do that

JFLNYC wrote:Ben still refuses to shoot enough 3’s and other jumpers to keep defenses honest enough to help Jo’s game and that of other teammates.

Not drilling down on your post but until Ben shows that he can actually hit 3's, why would the defense play him honest? His inaccuracy is horrendous. Opponents would just lay off of him and play the passing lanes until he shows that he can make that shot. Right now they just let him shoot; and miss.

rolex wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:Ben still refuses to shoot enough 3’s and other jumpers to keep defenses honest enough to help Jo’s game and that of other teammates.

Not drilling down on your post but until Ben shows that he can actually hit 3's, why would the defense play him honest? His inaccuracy is horrendous. Opponents would just lay off of him and play the passing lanes until he shows that he can make that shot. Right now they just let him shoot; and miss.

The fadeaways and 1-handers around the wings of the paint look strong enough, and should be a staple of his going forth. I don't think I want him compromising with spot up bullshit unless he is totally wide open and in the flow of the offense. When the defense recognizes him as a threat to shoot in space, only then will they close out and allow his range of options to knife it to the lane. Eventually that'll settle him into a nice medium range with the occasional 3. Ben's got power in the paint and horses hooves, but the racetrack pace can be a detriment to the overall point guarding ability required for the team. Our boy will mature in time, as he's made leaps and bounds already.

Napalm wrote:

rolex wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:Ben still refuses to shoot enough 3’s and other jumpers to keep defenses honest enough to help Jo’s game and that of other teammates.

Not drilling down on your post but until Ben shows that he can actually hit 3's, why would the defense play him honest? His inaccuracy is horrendous. Opponents would just lay off of him and play the passing lanes until he shows that he can make that shot. Right now they just let him shoot; and miss.

The fadeaways and 1-handers around the wings of the paint look strong enough, and should be a staple of his going forth. I don't think I want him compromising with spot up #$!&@ unless he is totally wide open and in the flow of the offense. When the defense recognizes him as a threat to shoot in space, only then will they close out and allow his range of options to knife it to the lane. Eventually that'll settle him into a nice medium range with the occasional 3. Ben's got power in the paint and horses hooves, but the racetrack pace can be a detriment to the overall point guarding ability required for the team. Our boy will mature in time, as he's made leaps and bounds already.

I totally agree with your assessment. What I don’t understand is why people think that the 3 is what will open up Ben’s game so that he can then do much more on the floor. In theory that would be true but the reality is that he doesn’t hit the 3’s regularly enough. It’s ok if he wants to play closer to the hoop but that’s a tough man’s game that he needs to show that he wants to play. It also takes away the point forward position that many see as his best spot. If he is going to be a point player in the mode of a Magic, he’s going to need to do what Magic did, learn to him that outside shot with regularity.

Him shooting 3s is specifically part of the question of what he's doing when he's off ball: Should he always just be setting screens or setting up in the post or in the dunker spot or should he occasionally rotate out to the corner and shoot if someone passes him the ball. In the past there are a handful of times per game where the offense breaks down specifically because he's doing something weird instead of going to an open spot and taking a shot.

I'm not sure if anyone ever covers him out there but him just making the normal basketball play more would alleviate that issue to some extent.

Noted BSG member Bodner released the first part of a two part article grading all of the Sixers for the season (relative to what expectations were for them; C meant you met expectations). Started with the starters plus Shake.

I thought he was pretty charitable (one player exceeded expectations, one met them, the other four had various states of falling short).

MoBettle wrote:Him shooting 3s is specifically part of the question of what he's doing when he's off ball: Should he always just be setting screens or setting up in the post or in the dunker spot or should he occasionally rotate out to the corner and shoot if someone passes him the ball. In the past there are a handful of times per game where the offense breaks down specifically because he's doing something weird instead of going to an open spot and taking a shot.

I'm not sure if anyone ever covers him out there but him just making the normal basketball play more would alleviate that issue to some extent.

No one expects Ben to be Steph Curry lite but if he’s going to be a point position player, he needs to be able to hit the outside shot enough to make people defend him. I have hope for him that he can develop that capacity because of his athletic ability. IR that Magic was not a good shooter when he entered the game but he became proficient enough that opponents had to watch him all over the floor. Perhaps the next coach can help bring that out of him. If it happens, Ben could be one of, if not the best player in the league.