horford is brand's friend... he ain't going anywhere quite yet.

Well Wiggins was considered probably the worst contract in the league a few months ago. I’m not sure what has changed beyond a seemingly smart organization trading for him.

gr wrote:Just to be clear, I'm not turning on embiid. I think he's just more likely to get dealt because of a variety of factors, not least of which he's a pain in the ass of mgmt and seems more likely to ask to be traded.

The Sixers are not trading Ben or Jo. They are both going to play together in Philly for upwards of two decades, Malone/Stockton style.

06hawkalum wrote:

gr wrote:Just to be clear, I'm not turning on embiid. I think he's just more likely to get dealt because of a variety of factors, not least of which he's a pain in the ass of mgmt and seems more likely to ask to be traded.

The Sixers are not trading Ben or Jo. They are both going to play together in Philly for upwards of two decades, Malone/Stockton style.

And win as many championships?

Just for reference their remaining contracts:

Wiggins 3 years $95 million all guaranteed (He has the same contract as Embiid)
Horford 3 years $81 million $68 million guaranteed

I could potentially see a Horford/Wiggins deal, but there’s no need to make a deal like that yet. I know I sound like a broken record, but I’d like to see what a new coach can do before doing any heavy tinkering with the roster (unless there’s a great deal available, but I feel like everyone played like shit this year so we’re talking about selling low on anyone who gets traded).

JFLNYC wrote:

06hawkalum wrote:

gr wrote:Just to be clear, I'm not turning on embiid. I think he's just more likely to get dealt because of a variety of factors, not least of which he's a pain in the ass of mgmt and seems more likely to ask to be traded.

The Sixers are not trading Ben or Jo. They are both going to play together in Philly for upwards of two decades, Malone/Stockton style.

And win as many championships?

I am sure the Jazz fans would not trade a trophy for all the years they enjoyed watching those two play together. They were not the cause of the Jazz's failure to win. That had more to do with Michael Jordan and the Bulls than anything else.

If you trade Horford have to figure out the backup center issue. Like Embiid played 44% of available minutes last year. For as much as Horford sucked the team was still pretty effective in the minutes he played center and fell off a cliff when he or Embiid weren’t in the game.

I think a big task of the new coach is going to be figuring out how to play Ben at center lineups against real teams. It’s never really worked against teams that aren’t going super small.

I think we’d probably have to add a first rounder in that deal at least to be clear. Which probably makes it not worth it. Maybe at the ASB if Dubs are not looking like they are back to real contenders and Horford has a good start

MoBettle wrote:If you trade Horford have to figure out the backup center issue. Like Embiid played 44% of available minutes last year. For as much as Horford sucked the team was still pretty effective in the minutes he played center and fell off a cliff when he or Embiid weren’t in the game.

I think a big task of the new coach is going to be figuring out how to play Ben at center lineups against real teams. It’s never really worked against teams that aren’t going super small.

You should ideally be able to draft a backup C - in this class I’d take a stab at the duke kid Carey in early 2nd, think he’s more agile than people are giving him credit for and showed flashes of shooting (ie the form looks OK even though the FT percentage numbers were poor)

Michigan State guy Tillman also looks like a plug and play backup thought not a real athletic rim protector type

And Norv can play a little too he should be in the mix still

joe table wrote:I think we’d probably have to add a first rounder in that deal at least to be clear. Which probably makes it not worth it. Maybe at the ASB if Dubs are not looking like they are back to real contenders and Horford has a good start

I think we're undervaluing how bad that Wiggins contact really is. If anything, I think GS should send something to us to sweeten the deal. They'd save 27 mil.

gr wrote:Just to be clear, I'm not turning on embiid. I think he's just more likely to get dealt because of a variety of factors, not least of which he's a pain in the ass of mgmt and seems more likely to ask to be traded.

Agree with this.

lethal wrote:

joe table wrote:I think we’d probably have to add a first rounder in that deal at least to be clear. Which probably makes it not worth it. Maybe at the ASB if Dubs are not looking like they are back to real contenders and Horford has a good start

I think we're undervaluing how bad that Wiggins contact really is. If anything, I think GS should send something to us to sweeten the deal. They'd save 27 mil.

I think it’s a fair take but also that GS management is probably higher on Wiggins that you are right?

lethal wrote:

joe table wrote:I think we’d probably have to add a first rounder in that deal at least to be clear. Which probably makes it not worth it. Maybe at the ASB if Dubs are not looking like they are back to real contenders and Horford has a good start

I think we're undervaluing how bad that Wiggins contact really is. If anything, I think GS should send something to us to sweeten the deal. They'd save 27 mil.

Yes especially in the context of the Sixers’ luxury tax issues. They aren’t giving up FRPs to add like $50 million to their bill.

Ultimately what I think GSW will try to do is shop wiggins with the #2 pick to pick up a starter and probably have their sights set higher than Al

Here’s another trade that seems at least somewhat plausible - assuming Spurs have interest would you move Tobi for Aldridge and Gay - Spurs get a younger established starter to fit their youth movement and can slot Harris in at the 4 - we get salary relief and both guys can still play a bit (especially gay who looked great in bubble as small ball center) - both expirings to give us trade flexibility for another move

I wouldn’t do that. Your roster would have Embiid, Horford, Aldridge, Gay, Simmons, Richardson as your top six players. It just seems unworkable. I think we’re better served getting a better version of Tobi (through better coaching/scheme hopefully) than what we’ve gotten so far.

I still think Richardson for the Iggy TPE and draft picks is the type of trade they might make if they do something with the starters.

Gimpy wrote:I wouldn’t do that.

I still think Richardson for the Iggy TPE and draft picks is the type of trade they might make if they do something with the starters.

What would that accomplish though we still would be carrying the heavy salary bags

Does anyone have brand’s cell I want to get in his ear on this maybe we get keldon Johnson or walker thrown in -
SA can’t ever get free agents to come there anyway so might was well use the cap on tobi