MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby BigEd76 » Tue Jun 23, 2020 19:18:23

Spitting and high-fives

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So I'm assuming the schedule will be 3H/3A with the other 9 East teams, with the remaining six games split up somehow. Maybe two 4H/3A and two 3H/4A for the divisional games, which leaves two extra games to add somewhere (like 4H/4A with Toronto)

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby Uncle Milty » Tue Jun 23, 2020 20:53:56

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby The Dude » Tue Jun 23, 2020 20:55:28

So do we just hope no players test positive before July 24th?
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Jun 23, 2020 20:56:27

Uncle Milty wrote:
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby Bill McNeal » Tue Jun 23, 2020 21:02:01

The Dude wrote:So do we just hope no players test positive before July 24th?


No, I think we have to just hope that once they report there aren’t mass team outbreaks. I don’t know if that’s practically different than what you are saying, but I guess that’s what we are hoping for.
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby mcare89 » Tue Jun 23, 2020 21:02:15

The Dude wrote:So do we just hope no players test positive before July 24th?

No, you're putting frequent testing in place and isolating guys who test positive as quickly as possible to prevent spread. Just like there is in the NBA right now with them beginning to test guys, there's going to be a bunch of MLB positive tests in the next couple weeks because guys have been out and about and there's a pretty decent chance that some of them caught it in everyday life. That isn't going to be the problem. (It's a problem, obviously, but not the one that's going to stop the season in its tracks.) The problem for MLB is when they get into their full protocols and they have an event where a significant portion of a team tests positive at once a few weeks down the line.

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby Uncle Milty » Tue Jun 23, 2020 21:03:51

40 division games and 20 inter-league per Heyman
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby Bill McNeal » Tue Jun 23, 2020 21:04:01

What Matt said.
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby SCPhillyPhan » Tue Jun 23, 2020 21:05:51

Stripes wrote:
MoBettle wrote:
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So we gave up shares of playoff money, eliminating the qualifying offer for 2021, paycheck advance forgiveness, Covid 19 protections, and protection for non guaranteed arb contracts for next year in order to hold on to our right to file a grievance...


A grievance that, odds are, they won't win.

May be enough to stop the owners from trying anything grievance-worthy in the first place though.

On top of wanting to show the owners they wouldn’t blink like Squire said, I think they also just dont trust the owners to not try some funny business.


^^^This^^^

They have to reserve at least the right to grievance, or the owners can/will #$!&@ them over, big time.

Just like they had to come back at full pro rata. Anything less sets a bad precedent. Any future financial adversity would be cause to further reduce salaries.


I believe the only grievance right they would have given up was the specific right to grieve the March agreement. And by the way, so would the owners have given up their rights on that score. I can see the precedent thing with regard to full prorata pay. I'm having a hard time with it being a poor precedent regarding the March deal. They'd have given up that specific right for a decent haul in ownership concessions IMO. Such is the way of agreements and treaties. If anything at all, I see accepting this deal as strengthening the value of the right to grieve moving forward. I'm still more on the players side in a situation where I'm disappointed (angry) at both sides. But they should have accepted this deal. Not strikes me as petulant.
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby The Dude » Tue Jun 23, 2020 21:07:10

mcare89 wrote:
The Dude wrote:So do we just hope no players test positive before July 24th?

No, you're putting frequent testing in place and isolating guys who test positive as quickly as possible to prevent spread. Just like there is in the NBA right now with them beginning to test guys, there's going to be a bunch of MLB positive tests in the next couple weeks because guys have been out and about and there's a pretty decent chance that some of them caught it in everyday life. That isn't going to be the problem. (It's a problem, obviously, but not the one that's going to stop the season in its tracks.) The problem for MLB is when they get into their full protocols and they have an event where a significant portion of a team tests positive at once a few weeks down the line.


I guess this is where I'm eventually getting at. If one guy tests positive July 25th, wouldnt the whole team have to isolate?
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby mcare89 » Tue Jun 23, 2020 21:14:01

The Dude wrote:
mcare89 wrote:
The Dude wrote:So do we just hope no players test positive before July 24th?

No, you're putting frequent testing in place and isolating guys who test positive as quickly as possible to prevent spread. Just like there is in the NBA right now with them beginning to test guys, there's going to be a bunch of MLB positive tests in the next couple weeks because guys have been out and about and there's a pretty decent chance that some of them caught it in everyday life. That isn't going to be the problem. (It's a problem, obviously, but not the one that's going to stop the season in its tracks.) The problem for MLB is when they get into their full protocols and they have an event where a significant portion of a team tests positive at once a few weeks down the line.


I guess this is where I'm eventually getting at. If one guy tests positive July 25th, wouldnt the whole team have to isolate?

Not if you're testing everyone all the time. I don't want to go too deep into it because I have no idea what their procedures actually are or how effective they'll actually be, so I don't want to defend MLB who could just screw this whole thing up, but the idea is that if you don't have to isolate if you're being tested all the time and keep coming up negative. It's not a situation where you're worried that they're pre-symptomatic, because even if they're not showing symptoms, they should still test positive if they're carrying it.

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Jun 23, 2020 21:18:22

mcare89 wrote:
The Dude wrote:
mcare89 wrote:
The Dude wrote:So do we just hope no players test positive before July 24th?

No, you're putting frequent testing in place and isolating guys who test positive as quickly as possible to prevent spread. Just like there is in the NBA right now with them beginning to test guys, there's going to be a bunch of MLB positive tests in the next couple weeks because guys have been out and about and there's a pretty decent chance that some of them caught it in everyday life. That isn't going to be the problem. (It's a problem, obviously, but not the one that's going to stop the season in its tracks.) The problem for MLB is when they get into their full protocols and they have an event where a significant portion of a team tests positive at once a few weeks down the line.


I guess this is where I'm eventually getting at. If one guy tests positive July 25th, wouldnt the whole team have to isolate?

Not if you're testing everyone all the time. I don't want to go too deep into it because I have no idea what their procedures actually are or how effective they'll actually be, so I don't want to defend MLB who could just screw this whole thing up, but the idea is that if you don't have to isolate if you're being tested all the time and keep coming up negative. It's not a situation where you're worried that they're pre-symptomatic, because even if they're not showing symptoms, they should still test positive if they're carrying it.

Right. This is how all the European soccer leagues have handled it. They had positive tests during the ramp up. Players isolated if they were infected, everyone else carried on. All the big leagues are back now.

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby MoBettle » Tue Jun 23, 2020 21:18:53

Did they figure out the service time stuff for rookies?
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby BigEd76 » Tue Jun 23, 2020 22:39:56

BigEd76 wrote:So I'm assuming the schedule will be 3H/3A with the other 9 East teams, with the remaining six games split up somehow. Maybe two 4H/3A and two 3H/4A for the divisional games, which leaves two extra games to add somewhere (like 4H/4A with Toronto)


Heyman says it's 40 in division (5H/5A) and 20 interleague (rival 3H/3A, two 2H/2A series, one 3H, one 3A)

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby ek20 » Tue Jun 23, 2020 22:41:37

oh man that is gonna be tough
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby BigEd76 » Tue Jun 23, 2020 23:04:42

Not sure if serious, but apparently any player or coach/manager that gets within 6 feet of an umpire while arguing a call is subject to suspension

UPDATE: yup it's real. Automatic ejection and fine too
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby mtcal » Wed Jun 24, 2020 00:01:57

BigEd76 wrote:Not sure if serious, but apparently any player or coach/manager that gets within 6 feet of an umpire while arguing a call is subject to suspension


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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby swishnicholson » Wed Jun 24, 2020 00:04:58

BigEd76 wrote:Not sure if serious, but apparently any player or coach/manager that gets within 6 feet of an umpire while arguing a call is subject to suspension


Maybe we can back to dirt kicking and base throwing.
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby Uncle Milty » Wed Jun 24, 2020 06:29:29

Need to experience them but I think I might support 5 game series in future seasons.
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