heyeaglefn wrote:

pacino wrote:

heyeaglefn wrote:On ESPN Radio they said a big part of the problem is baseball not having a real salary cap like the NBA and NHL when it comes to this stuff but I didn't hear the entire conversation to know what they were talking about.

who is they? they probably mean so salaries could be lower and the highest salary closest to the lowest.

this is a pathetic proposal designed to pit players in the union against each other

They meaning the ESPN Hosts. It sounded like there was a long conversation and when I was in the car they referenced back to it as one of the big problems with MLB versus the other sports starting up.

The biggest problem with MLB starting up compared to the NBA and the NHL is that they have to play a full season like this, whereas ~80-90% of player salaries in the NBA and NHL have already been paid out, and the difference will in fact be worked out by the revenue share and escrow and all of the other economics that nobody actually cares about. But if the shoe was on the other foot, the NBA and NHL would probably have a much more pronounced labor issue than they do now.

But a salary cap definitely wouldn't be the panacea. It would just be a different form of the same conversation.

Baseball has struggled with promoting its stars for 15 years, which you'd imagine negatively impacts the owners. I just don't understand the thinking of daring your star players to sit out the season, especially the guys with pregnant wives / newborns.

Hard to say if any stars actually WOULD sit, but the fact that the owners actually made it a discussion is incredible to me.

heyeaglefn wrote:

pacino wrote:

heyeaglefn wrote:On ESPN Radio they said a big part of the problem is baseball not having a real salary cap like the NBA and NHL when it comes to this stuff but I didn't hear the entire conversation to know what they were talking about.

who is they? they probably mean so salaries could be lower and the highest salary closest to the lowest.

this is a pathetic proposal designed to pit players in the union against each other

They meaning the ESPN Hosts. It sounded like there was a long conversation and when I was in the car they referenced back to it as one of the big problems with MLB versus the other sports starting up.

Didn't hear it but I assume they mean that because the players are just guaranteed money instead of a percentage of baseball related income, they need to negotiate that point first. Whereas the NBA players are only guaranteed 49-51% of BRI, so if the NBA makes less money than projected the players end up with less cash than they're "guaranteed" under their contracts. More a leaguewide "salary cap" as opposed to the single team salary cap we're usually talking about (although generally both things go hand in hand)

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PSUsarge wrote:

MoBettle wrote:I don't understand how the owners are making the case that veteran salaries need to be cut by 75%. Unless they're just assuming that the season is getting cancelled at some point...

Anyone putting this on the players at this point is either ignorant, has an agenda, or both.

I don't defend the owners. But I'm pretty sure their theory is that while we may play half the games....we won't be making half of the regular revenue since the stadiums will be mostly empty.

Passan went through the finances in an article that made it seem like the 50% pro rated salaries could work (and in fact the owners could make more money that way as opposed to paying them a percentage of BRI, albeit opening them up to the risk of another shut down). Even if that's not the case, I'm not sure how they are justifying *this* big of a cut. It just seems excessive.

This move smells like a weak attempt to mimic the NFL negotiations where the highest paid players get badly outvoted by the rank-and-file. Again, I'm too lazy to do the math but I wonder what the actual savings would be for owners here. Probably a huge number but nothing they can't wave away with the accounting wand.

I'm also surprised no one is pushing the owners to admit there will be revenue opportunities beyond TV payouts. Some teams are already renting the stadiums out for concerts, etc. And if college football and NASCAR end up bringing in a limited number of fans, you know MLB will follow suit. Why leave all the suites empty?

In exchange for collecting any profits and enjoying any appreciation in their owned assets, owners assume the risk of losses. Employees don't. They get paid wages -- freely agreed upon with owners -- for the work they perform.

MoBettle wrote:Passan went through the finances in an article that made it seem like the 50% pro rated salaries could work (and in fact the owners could make more money that way as opposed to paying them a percentage of BRI, albeit opening them up to the risk of another shut down). Even if that's not the case, I'm not sure how they are justifying *this* big of a cut. It just seems excessive.

Thanks for posting this. That is eye-opening, and infuriating.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/ ... sts-decade ($$)

Cornelious Randolph makes the list of top 10 busts of the decade. Sheesh, I don't have high hopes for the guy but seems harsh considering how many higher picks have already busted. Appel was the first name mentioned.

He's pretty terrible, tbh

Seems like a nice guy but a severely poor baseball player

Rockinghorse wrote:This move smells like a weak attempt to mimic the NFL negotiations where the highest paid players get badly outvoted by the rank-and-file. Again, I'm too lazy to do the math but I wonder what the actual savings would be for owners here. Probably a huge number but nothing they can't wave away with the accounting wand.

I'm also surprised no one is pushing the owners to admit there will be revenue opportunities beyond TV payouts. Some teams are already renting the stadiums out for concerts, etc. And if college football and NASCAR end up bringing in a limited number of fans, you know MLB will follow suit. Why leave all the suites empty?

Cooney posted this yesterday which is pretty much your point.

@KevinCooney
I get it’s impossible for many to feel sympathies for players who make big money. But guess what? That offer from MLB is beyond insulting and a clear union-busting attempt by putting high salary guys in a battle with lower income guys.

My dad is generally a pretty woke and progressive fellow but he started in on a rant about this being the players' fault and I had to shut that down right away.

What are Korea and Japan doing about player salaries, considering they're also playing in empty stadiums?

One less slice of cheese on the players sandwiches.

Stripes wrote:What are Korea and Japan doing about player salaries, considering they're also playing in empty stadiums?

My guess is they don't have anywhere close to the salaries of the MLB players. The league has always been run assholes whom made their money being assholes. Instead of taking advantage of the situation, they routinely step on the own, old balls. They could have been out in front of this, but now they'll be an afterthought if the NBA and NHL playoffs start in July.

edit KBO salaries:

The average salary is about 150 million won, which comes to about $122,000 with the minimum wage at about $23,000. The highest-paid player last year was slugger Dae-ho Lee, who made 2.5 billion won, or $2.2 million. Foreign players are capped to make no more than $1 million, which is usually far more than they made in North America.

I am still convinced this is all coming to light that the owners thinking they could backdoor into fans coming back and the MLBPA is calling their bluff on player safety. Why are they so steadfast on playing games in home ballparks?

Andre Dawson is now a mortician.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/292 ... second-act

momadance wrote:Andre Dawson is now a mortician.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/292 ... second-act

He buried the Phils.

Good time to get into the business.

@Ken_Rosenthal
This is rather amazing. MLB Network starting 64 consecutive hours of Derek Jeter programming tomorrow at 6 a.m. Bob Costas looks back on legendary moments from Jeter’s career throughout the weekend. Coverage includes 13 signature games.

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