I don't understand how the owners are making the case that veteran salaries need to be cut by 75%. Unless they're just assuming that the season is getting cancelled at some point...

JFLNYC wrote:And ironically MLB is arguably safest since it’s played outdoors.

All those players in a dugout and bullpen probably will be a problem. Not so much on the field.

heyeaglefn wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:And ironically MLB is arguably safest since it’s played outdoors.

All those players in a dugout and bullpen probably will be a problem. Not so much on the field.

Seems like there's workarounds for that especially with the stadiums being empty.

yeah... clubhouse before and after the game would be a bigger issue. honestly more of a pretty big inconvenience.

azrider wrote:yeah... clubhouse before and after the game would be a bigger issue. honestly more of a pretty big inconvenience.

Yep all seems like something you could plan out in a long meeting. Just take random parts of the ball park and turn them into secondary locker rooms, set up a tent outside, Phillies could maybe use the other stadiums to some extent, and so on. It's not gonna be ideal or anything but doesn't seem exceptionally difficult.

Right. Small groups are best so keep pitchers in one group and position players in another or something like that. With the DH coming pitchers don’t have to take bp or anything like that.

MoBettle wrote:I don't understand how the owners are making the case that veteran salaries need to be cut by 75%. Unless they're just assuming that the season is getting cancelled at some point...

I haven’t followed it all but I looked it up today and saw that. The good thing in the proposal is that they would be looking to pay the lowest paid guys their full season salary but that’s crazy to expect the highest guys to get prorated AND up to a 75% reduction. That is insane. The article I read on it said the thought is the owners are worried about the post season getting cancelled due to reemergence of covid I’m the fall and that the post season brings in $777m in tv revenue and that would be lost.

there's actually spare locker rooms in CBP besides the main clubhouses. As stated would be inconvenient but doable.

MoBettle wrote:I don't understand how the owners are making the case that veteran salaries need to be cut by 75%. Unless they're just assuming that the season is getting cancelled at some point...

Anyone putting this on the players at this point is either ignorant, has an agenda, or both.

JFLNYC wrote:And ironically MLB is arguably safest since it’s played outdoors.

NFL?

PSUsarge wrote:

MoBettle wrote:I don't understand how the owners are making the case that veteran salaries need to be cut by 75%. Unless they're just assuming that the season is getting cancelled at some point...

Anyone putting this on the players at this point is either ignorant, has an agenda, or both.

I don't defend the owners. But I'm pretty sure their theory is that while we may play half the games....we won't be making half of the regular revenue since the stadiums will be mostly empty.

PTOITWCFTPP wrote:Yeah I saw that awhile back and it remains absolutely incredible

I always wondered what on Earth could really sustain any argument with an umpire - "Hey, you're wrong!" "No, I'm not!" - so this was a revelation, that's great.

Squire wrote:

PSUsarge wrote:

MoBettle wrote:I don't understand how the owners are making the case that veteran salaries need to be cut by 75%. Unless they're just assuming that the season is getting cancelled at some point...

Anyone putting this on the players at this point is either ignorant, has an agenda, or both.

I don't defend the owners. But I'm pretty sure their theory is that while we may play half the games....we won't be making half of the regular revenue since the stadiums will be mostly empty.

It is, but that goes back to a point I made on a previous page - why did the owners agree to what they agreed to in March, then? They put themselves in this position by doing so, and now they're risking not having a season at all by squeezing even more out of the players.

Players agreeing to a 50% reduction (via pro-rated salary) and THEN the owners asking for an additional 8-55% (33% average) is insulting.

Phred wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:And ironically MLB is arguably safest since it’s played outdoors.

NFL?

Amongst the sports previously mentioned, i.e., the NHL and NBA.

On ESPN Radio they said a big part of the problem is baseball not having a real salary cap like the NBA and NHL when it comes to this stuff but I didn't hear the entire conversation to know what they were talking about.

Bill McNeal wrote:

MoBettle wrote:I don't understand how the owners are making the case that veteran salaries need to be cut by 75%. Unless they're just assuming that the season is getting cancelled at some point...

I haven’t followed it all but I looked it up today and saw that. The good thing in the proposal is that they would be looking to pay the lowest paid guys their full season salary but that’s crazy to expect the highest guys to get prorated AND up to a 75% reduction. That is insane. The article I read on it said the thought is the owners are worried about the post season getting cancelled due to reemergence of covid I’m the fall and that the post season brings in $777m in tv revenue and that would be lost.

The owners think they're very clever and good PR to pit the rich players vs. the poor.

MoBettle wrote:I don't understand how the owners are making the case that veteran salaries need to be cut by 75%. Unless they're just assuming that the season is getting cancelled at some point...

it's just a PR play

JFLNYC wrote:

Bill McNeal wrote:

MoBettle wrote:I don't understand how the owners are making the case that veteran salaries need to be cut by 75%. Unless they're just assuming that the season is getting cancelled at some point...

I haven’t followed it all but I looked it up today and saw that. The good thing in the proposal is that they would be looking to pay the lowest paid guys their full season salary but that’s crazy to expect the highest guys to get prorated AND up to a 75% reduction. That is insane. The article I read on it said the thought is the owners are worried about the post season getting cancelled due to reemergence of covid I’m the fall and that the post season brings in $777m in tv revenue and that would be lost.

The owners think they're very clever and good PR to pit the rich players vs. the poor.

jinx

heyeaglefn wrote:On ESPN Radio they said a big part of the problem is baseball not having a real salary cap like the NBA and NHL when it comes to this stuff but I didn't hear the entire conversation to know what they were talking about.

who is they? they probably mean so salaries could be lower and the highest salary closest to the lowest.

this is a pathetic proposal designed to pit players in the union against each other

pacino wrote:

heyeaglefn wrote:On ESPN Radio they said a big part of the problem is baseball not having a real salary cap like the NBA and NHL when it comes to this stuff but I didn't hear the entire conversation to know what they were talking about.

who is they? they probably mean so salaries could be lower and the highest salary closest to the lowest.

this is a pathetic proposal designed to pit players in the union against each other

They meaning the ESPN Hosts. It sounded like there was a long conversation and when I was in the car they referenced back to it as one of the big problems with MLB versus the other sports starting up.