2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping roles

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Postby Gimpy » Tue Feb 04, 2020 16:42:56

I don’t hate it that much, but I definitely don’t like it. Maybe it would look better with smaller lettering?

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby MoBettle » Tue Feb 04, 2020 16:43:03

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Ramon Gris » Tue Feb 04, 2020 17:02:24

“I’ve respected Freddie Freeman for so long, competing against him. And then you see the (entire) group that the organization has really built, and to be a part of it and to see what I can bring — not only on being able to play out there on the field but what I can try to do in the clubhouse to a lot of these guys.”

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby thephan » Tue Feb 04, 2020 17:05:36

is he taking suggestions?
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby 1 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 17:17:48

You know
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby BigEd76 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 17:18:40

The SRod era is over. Signed a minor league deal with the Fish

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Bucky » Tue Feb 04, 2020 17:35:12

the handed him the pen to sign, and he had no idea what to do with it, he just stood there bewildered for a couple seconds


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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby swishnicholson » Tue Feb 04, 2020 19:07:54

CFP wrote:Why not just put the full red P inside the bell? That looks like shit.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Squire » Wed Feb 05, 2020 00:50:59

Phillies sign reliever RHP Anthony Swarzak to a minor league deal that goes to 1.5m if he makes the club

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby BigEd76 » Wed Feb 05, 2020 00:56:28

BNightengale
Now, #Cubs third baseman Kris Bryant is on the trade clock with the #Phillies and #Nats showing at least exploratory interest.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby phorever » Wed Feb 05, 2020 05:13:10

BigEd76 wrote:
BNightengale
Now, #Cubs third baseman Kris Bryant is on the trade clock with the #Phillies and #Nats showing at least exploratory interest.


nats actually have a somewhat weaker system than the phils, but they have more space under the tax limit.

having bohm ranked by mlb as the top prospect at bryant's position means that a package featuring bohm + howard would have a decent chance of being a winning trade bid, but that would leave the phils with lots of rotation holes in 2021 and little cash left over to fill in on the fa market after paying realmuto... in addition to putting them way over the cap. a 2020 payroll-neutral trade would be slightly more appealing, but the only such trade i could see the cubs making with the phils would be one including arrieta, and that would make losing howard even more damaging for the rotation. i'm trying to think of a plausible trade package for bryant in which the phils give up bohm and arrieta and keep howard, but i'm not sure such a thing exists. getting bryant without giving up howard is even more inconceivable for other payroll-neutral options like substituting obubel and robinson for arrieta, or getting the cubs to send a boatload of cash along with bryant. .... sigh....
gotta face it: the phils chances of making the playoffs over the next few years rely heavily on harper getting back to having mvp-ish seasons. if the luxury tax is the limit, they went nearly all-in with that bet. if it doesn't pay off, only getting really lucky with our prospect development or having management decide to pay the taxes and penalties above the limit can avoid the doom of hovering between 80 and 85 wins for the next few years.
the story would be different with better drafting/development over the past 5 years or avoiding the contract disasters of odubel, arrieta, and robertson, but those things didn't happen.
time to chance my sig back to ".... sigh .... "
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Wheels Tupay » Wed Feb 05, 2020 05:30:56

phorever wrote:
BigEd76 wrote:
BNightengale
Now, #Cubs third baseman Kris Bryant is on the trade clock with the #Phillies and #Nats showing at least exploratory interest.


nats actually have a somewhat weaker system than the phils, but they have more space under the tax limit.

having bohm ranked by mlb as the top prospect at bryant's position means that a package featuring bohm + howard would have a decent chance of being a winning trade bid, but that would leave the phils with lots of rotation holes in 2021 and little cash left over to fill in on the fa market after paying realmuto... in addition to putting them way over the cap. a 2020 payroll-neutral trade would be slightly more appealing, but the only such trade i could see the cubs making with the phils would be one including arrieta, and that would make losing howard even more damaging for the rotation. i'm trying to think of a plausible trade package for bryant in which the phils give up bohm and arrieta and keep howard, but i'm not sure such a thing exists. getting bryant without giving up howard is even more inconceivable for other payroll-neutral options like substituting obubel and robinson for arrieta, or getting the cubs to send a boatload of cash along with bryant. .... sigh....
gotta face it: the phils chances of making the playoffs over the next few years rely heavily on harper getting back to having mvp-ish seasons. if the luxury tax is the limit, they went nearly all-in with that bet. if it doesn't pay off, only getting really lucky with our prospect development or having management decide to pay the taxes and penalties above the limit can avoid the doom of hovering between 80 and 85 wins for the next few years.
the story would be different with better drafting/development over the past 5 years or avoiding the contract disasters of odubel, arrieta, and robertson, but those things didn't happen.
time to chance my sig back to ".... sigh .... "


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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby MoBettle » Wed Feb 05, 2020 09:33:52

If the Cubs got sold on Segura as a stopgap replacement for Bryant (on top of whatever prospects) there's probably a way to make the trade work with both teams getting/staying under the tax for now. The Phillies are $5 million under the tax and the Cubs are $4 million over, Bryant makes $4 million more than Segura, doesn't work exactly so Phillies would probably have to pay some of Segura's deal but it's doable.

But Segura is Segura so...
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby WhiteyFan » Wed Feb 05, 2020 09:39:51

Glad we stayed out of the Boston mess. As others said, we dont have a Verdugo we can afford to lose. No interest in Bohm+Howard for Bryant. He had one great season and seemingly never regained his power after his injuries. Please dont extend JTR.

We need Nola, Wheeler, Rhys and Harp to all be studs. We need to ride JTR like a rented mule (again). We need at least one of Eflin/Pivetta/VV to take a step forward. We need Bohm and Howard to contribute. Is it likely? No. Is it possible? Yes. Every team needs some breaks to win it all.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Wheels Tupay » Wed Feb 05, 2020 09:53:20

The more this off-season goes on, the more I hate the Didi signing. Seems like a bad use of limited resources that they were going to spend after the Wheeler signing.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Shore » Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:09:32

Wheels Tupay wrote:The more this off-season goes on, the more I hate the Didi signing. Seems like a bad use of limited resources that they were going to spend after the Wheeler signing.


Didi's the least of our worries, IMO. Very good chance he out-performs that contract.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Shore » Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:29:17

WhiteyFan wrote:No interest in Bohm+Howard for Bryant. He had one great season and seemingly never regained his power after his injuries.


I think you might have looked at the wrong dude... Bryant might be a better hitter than Harper. He hit 31 homers last year, but put in most of his PA batting 2nd, so his RBI totals weren't high.

If we were to get Bryant, our offense would be pretty spectacular, with Realmuto, Hoskins, Segura, Gregorius, Bryant, McCutchen, Kingery, and Harper. I think the bullpen will be fine, could even be an asset, and we have some bullpen arms in the system that will help. It would come down to the rotation, to the bottom 3 slots. Does Arrieta have anything left? Can Eflin repeat his success? Can one of Pivetta or Velasquez hold on to the 5th starter role? There's a lot riding on Bryan Price, but he's done really good things before. We don't need any of those last 4 guys to be stars, just one of them to be above average, and 2 of the other 3 to be average... NL ERA was 4.38 last year, so, it's a lower target than you might think.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Wolfgang622 » Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:34:10

Ace Rothstein wrote:They are officially retiring Halladay’s number 34


I loved Roy Halladay, have a jersey with his name and number, and, like everyone, I was devastated by this death.

But if Roy Halladay were still very much alive, and I know we all wish he was, would the Phillies be retiring his number?

He pitched here for essentially three seasons: two full and parts of two others.

He did not win a World Series here.

I know he is now in the Hall of Fame, and that is great and all, but it's hard to argue that he is more deserving to be honored in this way for his work as a Phillie than lots of players who will never sniff the Hall (Ryan Howard, Cole Hamels) but who were so important to the franchise.

Also, if Halladay's number is retired, by the same logic, then you have to retire Schilling's when he gets in. And Scott Rolen. And maybe Billy fucking Wagner if he gets in.

No way you can retire the numbers of those guys and not Utley, Rollins, Howard, and Hamels, regardless of their HOF status.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Wheels Tupay » Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:37:58

Wolfgang622 wrote:
Ace Rothstein wrote:They are officially retiring Halladay’s number 34


I loved Roy Halladay, have a jersey with his name and number, and, like everyone, I was devastated by this death.

But if Roy Halladay were still very much alive, and I know we all wish he was, would the Phillies be retiring his number?

He pitched here for essentially three seasons: two full and parts of two others.

He did not win a World Series here.

I know he is now in the Hall of Fame, and that is great and all, but it's hard to argue that he is more deserving to be honored in this way for his work as a Phillie than lots of players who will never sniff the Hall (Ryan Howard, Cole Hamels) but who were so important to the franchise.

Also, if Halladay's number is retired, by the same logic, then you have to retire Schilling's when he gets in. And Scott Rolen. And maybe Billy fucking Wagner if he gets in.

No way you can retire the numbers of those guys and not Utley, Rollins, Howard, and Hamels, regardless of their HOF status.


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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby JFLNYC » Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:38:58

I thought the same when I read the news.
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