2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping roles

Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby MoBettle » Thu Dec 12, 2019 09:42:30

They can recall the calendars with all the money they save by dumping him.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Uncle Milty » Thu Dec 12, 2019 09:48:26

Just an update set with stickers to place over traded players faces
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby stevelxa476 » Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:10:56

Rockinghorse wrote:Front office greenlighting Segura for October of the calendar means we're not trading him


Marketing has killed trades before apparently.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Grotewold » Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:15:49

stevelxa476 wrote:
Rockinghorse wrote:Front office greenlighting Segura for October of the calendar means we're not trading him


Marketing has killed trades before apparently.


I want my fucking calendar back

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Napalm » Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:19:51

are we saying that Jean is the key to October?

hmm

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby phorever » Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:55:24

just ran across a new #1 reason to believe (or hope) that steamer/fangraphs projections are badly flawed: wheeler and pivetta have the same 4.14 era projection for 2020 (and almost the same fip). that's a pretty huge regression to the mean for both. fip-wise, pivetta goes from 5.47 to 4.22 and wheeler from 3.48 to 4.17.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby The B1G Piece » Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:04:31

This should make us feel better. The 10 highest current position players in AAV, ranked by 2019 fWAR:

1. Trout (1, $35.5M) - 8.6
2. Rendon (2, $35M) - 7.0
3. Arenado (3, $32.5M) - 5.9
4. Harper (7, $25.4M) - 4.6
5. Machado (5, $30M) - 3.1
6. Goldschmidt (6, $26M) - 2.9
7. Cano (t-9, $24M) - 0.8
8. Cabrera (4, $31M) - (0.3)
9. Pujols (t-9, $24M) - (0.4)

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Stripes » Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:04:55

phorever wrote:just ran across a new #1 reason to believe (or hope) that steamer/fangraphs projections are badly flawed: wheeler and pivetta have the same 4.14 era projection for 2020 (and almost the same fip). that's a pretty huge regression to the mean for both. fip-wise, pivetta goes from 5.47 to 4.22 and wheeler from 3.48 to 4.17.


One of the fantasy "experts" adjusted Wheeler's projected ERA and WHIP by that much to account for the move from Citi Field to CBP
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby TempleFan22 » Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:11:45

Gelb says Wacha was out of the Phillies price range as they refuse to go over the tax. Pathetic.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby 76erfan » Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:13:55

dont tell us its time to win and then not do enough to win. team is no better than 3rd in division again. wheeler and didi not enough
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Wheels Tupay » Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:14:05

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby heyeaglefn » Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:14:15

TempleFan22 wrote:Gelb says Wacha was out of the Phillies price range as they refuse to go over the tax. Pathetic.

I mean if it is go over the tax this year but not next year, I choose to start next year.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby CFP » Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:29:23

I think a team should go over the tax if there's a solid opportunity there. Michael Wacha and Kevin Gausman are not those opportunities.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Wheels Tupay » Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:31:58

Ryu is very interesting to me.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby TempleFan22 » Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:37:58

CFP wrote:I think a team should go over the tax if there's a solid opportunity there. Michael Wacha and Kevin Gausman are not those opportunities.


Wacha stinks. It's not about that. It's about the refusal to do so. If Kris Bryant is truly available there's no reason they shouldn't be trying very hard to acquire him. Tax or no tax.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby CFP » Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:39:47

TempleFan22 wrote:
CFP wrote:I think a team should go over the tax if there's a solid opportunity there. Michael Wacha and Kevin Gausman are not those opportunities.


Wacha stinks. It's not about that. It's about the refusal to do so. If Kris Bryant is truly available there's no reason they shouldn't be trying very hard to acquire him. Tax or no tax.


I do not disagree with this.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby The Dude » Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:43:35

We've kind of been down this road. Middleton pointed out the player has to be worth it to go over the tax. You don't just go over the tax to say you did it
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby MoBettle » Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:45:12

Reason is every playoff team in the NL can put together a good team without exceeding the tax, so should Klentak if he’s a good GM.

I wish they’d spend over of course.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Rockinghorse » Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:26:32

Scary thing is Gelb seems to imply we actually wanted Wacha

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby gr » Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:30:36

Rockinghorse wrote:Scary thing is Gelb seems to imply we actually wanted Wacha


Scarier is ppl wanting to go over the tax to sign that stiff.
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