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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Grotewold » Tue Oct 15, 2019 08:38:24

phorever wrote:serious question: is there any successful 2019-20 phillies offseason that doesn't include signing gerrit cole?


there better be

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby WhiteyFan » Tue Oct 15, 2019 08:54:45

phorever wrote:serious question: is there any successful 2019-20 phillies offseason that doesn't include signing gerrit cole?


No. Signing Cole would still only give us the 3rd best rotation in the NL East, just ahead of the Braves (who have a superior offense). Need to sign Cole + a #3 starter just to stay competitive.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby MoBettle » Tue Oct 15, 2019 09:10:49

Because they've done a bad job developing talent internally.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Grotewold » Tue Oct 15, 2019 09:27:49

Good piece in The Athletic

"Showalter a perfect fit for the Phils, but..."

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby thephan » Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:13:52

to finish the sentence which is the title of the article: "...but there’s potential for a nightmarish ending"
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Bucky » Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:10:25

phillychuck wrote:
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phatj wrote:
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phatj wrote:How come none of the YouTube clips of that homer include McCarver's followup "a devastating turn of events"?


I thought "devastating turn of events" was the Victorino shot that tied it at 5

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby swishnicholson » Tue Oct 15, 2019 13:15:44

Grotewold wrote:
phorever wrote:serious question: is there any successful 2019-20 phillies offseason that doesn't include signing gerrit cole?


there better be


Yeah, unless we move the city. I guess that depends on how committed we are to winning.

USA Today's Bob Nightengale spoke to a couple of Cole's fellow Astros, and they told him they think Cole will end up playing in California. The South Side, at least in the Astros' clubhouse, it seems, is not a betting favorite.

"It will be west of Nevada," outfielder Josh Reddick said. "We know he wants to be a West Coast guy. He’s a California guy, so he probably wants to be close to home. I know he mentioned Oakland a couple of times because of how he’s pitched there in the past. ... But that probably won’t happen. They’d have to clear the whole roster to afford him."

"I got the Angels," pitcher Wade Miley said, "and paying him at least $250 million."
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Grotewold » Tue Oct 15, 2019 13:27:29

swishnicholson wrote:I guess that depends on how committed we are to winning


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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby WhiteyFan » Tue Oct 15, 2019 13:30:09

swishnicholson wrote:
Grotewold wrote:
phorever wrote:serious question: is there any successful 2019-20 phillies offseason that doesn't include signing gerrit cole?


there better be


Yeah, unless we move the city. I guess that depends on how committed we are to winning.

USA Today's Bob Nightengale spoke to a couple of Cole's fellow Astros, and they told him they think Cole will end up playing in California. The South Side, at least in the Astros' clubhouse, it seems, is not a betting favorite.

"It will be west of Nevada," outfielder Josh Reddick said. "We know he wants to be a West Coast guy. He’s a California guy, so he probably wants to be close to home. I know he mentioned Oakland a couple of times because of how he’s pitched there in the past. ... But that probably won’t happen. They’d have to clear the whole roster to afford him."

"I got the Angels," pitcher Wade Miley said, "and paying him at least $250 million."


Yeah, like Harper was a West Coast guy and Corbin was a lifelong Yankees fan and Machado wanted to play with his brother-in-law, etc, etc, etc.... This is all just the media looking for something to talk about. Cole will follow the money like every other FA before him.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby MFP » Tue Oct 15, 2019 14:06:19

phorever wrote:serious question: is there any successful 2019-20 phillies offseason that doesn't include signing gerrit cole?

Sure. One that involves signing Anthony Rendon and making a trade for a SP to slot in as the #2 behind Nola (in addition to signing another FA SP like Hamels or someone else).

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby mtcal » Tue Oct 15, 2019 14:48:06

any chance we go for an outfielder this offseason to supplement cutch and harper or is it gona be haseley and maybe even more Kingery?
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby philliesphhan » Tue Oct 15, 2019 14:52:38

I really hope they don't focus on Rendon. The offense was definitely below what you'd like but the starting pitching was almost the worst in the NL. Absolutely need to focus there even if you can't get Cole
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby bleh » Tue Oct 15, 2019 15:20:37

There's a lot of good pitching available

aces:
Hyun-Jin Ryu
Gerrit Cole
Stephen Strasburg (if he opts out)

other:
Yu Darvish (if he opts out)
Rich Hill
Dallas Keuchel
Cole Hamels
Madison Bumgarner
Zack Wheeler
Gio Gonzalez
Jake Odorizzi
Michael Pineda

If the goal is to get into the playoffs, sign 2 of those guys and it should push them to 89 wins or more on paper. Then sign someone to replace Franco.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby mcare89 » Tue Oct 15, 2019 15:55:12

bleh wrote:There's a lot of good pitching available

aces:
Hyun-Jin Ryu
Gerrit Cole
Stephen Strasburg (if he opts out)

other:
Yu Darvish (if he opts out)
Rich Hill
Dallas Keuchel
Cole Hamels
Madison Bumgarner
Zack Wheeler
Gio Gonzalez
Jake Odorizzi
Michael Pineda

If the goal is to get into the playoffs, sign 2 of those guys and it should push them to 89 wins or more on paper. Then sign someone to replace Franco.

gimme Cole and Cole and call it a day

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby MFP » Tue Oct 15, 2019 16:25:25

philliesphhan wrote:I really hope they don't focus on Rendon. The offense was definitely below what you'd like but the starting pitching was almost the worst in the NL. Absolutely need to focus there even if you can't get Cole

You could do both if you sign Rendon though.

There's a case to be made for Rendon being a top-5 player in MLB and making him your 3B gives you some potential surplus in the form of Hoskins, Bohm, or some non-Harper OFs to try to go and get a pretty decent pitcher via trade, in addition to the non-Gerrit Cole arms that are available in FA.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Titlehungry » Tue Oct 15, 2019 16:26:56

Get me Rendon and Strasburg... really hurts the Nats and Strasburg would be cheaper than Cole
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby traderdave » Tue Oct 15, 2019 16:45:43

Feel like Zack Wheeler could be a high reward get on the relative cheap.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby ReadingPhilly » Tue Oct 15, 2019 16:48:11

traderdave wrote:Feel like Zack Wheeler could be a high reward get on the relative cheap.


Was planning on digging into his stats later. Think I’ll agree but I don’t think he’ll be cheap.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby Stripes » Tue Oct 15, 2019 16:50:33

If the goal is sustained success, as I believe Klentak has mentioned, we're not gonna do that by throwing top $$$ at every FA. We have to build from within, and then supplement w FA to fill in the holes.

Unfortunately, we have too many holes, because someone doesn't know how to build depth, so the only choice we have to win now is to...throw top $$$ at every FA.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason: Striving for Better Than Ave

Postby CFP » Tue Oct 15, 2019 16:53:20

Stripes wrote:If the goal is sustained success, as I believe Klentak has mentioned, we're not gonna do that by throwing top $$$ at every FA.


Bahahaha Klentak isn't in charge

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