azrider wrote:

Squire wrote:I mean the lead time on the signal was pretty close to the actual pitch, I could see not wanting the extra thing to think about it up there too.

That being said, this is such a trash move by the Astros and arguably way worse than anything the Patriots did in videotaping practices.

1.5 seconds is a long time in the game of baseball.

Cheating has and probably always will be a part of the culture in baseball. I do think when you incorporate tech or non players/coaches you do cross the line tho. Probably will get a slap on the wrist and a 5 minute timeout in the corner.

Wolfgang622 wrote:

azrider wrote:

Squire wrote:I mean the lead time on the signal was pretty close to the actual pitch, I could see not wanting the extra thing to think about it up there too.

That being said, this is such a trash move by the Astros and arguably way worse than anything the Patriots did in videotaping practices.

1.5 seconds is a long time in the game of baseball.

Cheating has and probably always will be a part of the culture in baseball. I do think when you incorporate tech or non players/coaches you do cross the line tho. Probably will get a slap on the wrist and a 5 minute timeout in the corner.

See I don't think it's cheating to steal signs IF you only use the tools God gave you. If a team is dumb enough to allow its signs to be stealable by players on the field, or even coaches on the field, that's on them; if the home team is using means only available to the home team because they control the ballpark (employees in press boxes/score boards, with binoculars, video feeds, etc.), THEN it's cheating.

azrider wrote:

Wolfgang622 wrote:

azrider wrote:

Squire wrote:I mean the lead time on the signal was pretty close to the actual pitch, I could see not wanting the extra thing to think about it up there too.

That being said, this is such a trash move by the Astros and arguably way worse than anything the Patriots did in videotaping practices.

1.5 seconds is a long time in the game of baseball.

Cheating has and probably always will be a part of the culture in baseball. I do think when you incorporate tech or non players/coaches you do cross the line tho. Probably will get a slap on the wrist and a 5 minute timeout in the corner.

See I don't think it's cheating to steal signs IF you only use the tools God gave you. If a team is dumb enough to allow its signs to be stealable by players on the field, or even coaches on the field, that's on them; if the home team is using means only available to the home team because they control the ballpark (employees in press boxes/score boards, with binoculars, video feeds, etc.), THEN it's cheating.

Agree 100%

Werthless wrote:Um, that's why people are mad. They were using video cameras to get the info to the guy banging the trash can.

Furthermore, and this is me speculating, I think the likelihood they tried other prohibited methods to steal signs to be quite high.

azrider wrote:Cheating has and probably always will be a part of the culture in baseball. I do think when you incorporate tech or non players/coaches you do cross the line tho.

Werthless wrote:Got it. Interestingly, there is some decorum. For example, a batter is not supposed to look at the catcher when he gives his sign.

Bucky wrote:

ReadingPhilly wrote:jomboy found the ab farquhar was referencing

instead of changing to the runner-on-base signs, the pitcher shoulda told the catcher 'call for a changeup but i'm gonna throw a fastball on the inner half'

Altuve:

Home: .472 BA/.513 OBP/1.028 SLG/1.541 OPS, 17 H, 6 HR & 12 RBI
Away: .143 BA, .268 OBP, .229 SLG, .497 OPS, 5 H, 1 HR & 2 RBI

Correa:

Home: .371 BA/.421 OBP/.743 SLG/1.164 OPS, 13 H, 3 HR & 10 RBI
Away: .211 BA/.231 OBP/.395 SLG/.626 OPS, 8 H, 2 HR & 4 RBI.


Bregman:

Home: .273 BA/.342 OBP/.515 SLG/.857 OPS, 9 H, 2 HR & 6 RBI
Away: .154 BA/.175 OBP/.333 SLG/.508 OPS, 6 H, 2 HR & 4 RBI

McCann:

Home: .300 BA/.382 OBP/.467 SLG/.849 OPS, 9 H, 1 HR & 7 RBI
Away: .037 BA/.161 OBP/.037 SLG/.198 OPS, 1 H, 0 HR & 0 RBI

Gurriel:

Home: .303 BA/.361 OBP/.576 SLG/.937 OPS, 10 H, 2 HR & 5 RBI
Away: .306 BA/.324 OBP/.472 SLG/.797 OPS, 11 H, 0 HR & 3 RBI

Gattis:

Home: .300 BA/.464 OBP/.550 SLG/1.014 OPS, 6 H, 1 HR & 3 RBI
Away: .200 BA/.333 OBP/.200 SLG/.533 OPS, 2 H, 0 HR & 0 RBI

beltran and reddick were bad both at home and on the road

Knowing what pitch is coming is like having the perfect response prepared for every conversation. If I had that info when I was playing, I would have been “good” at baseball and “cool” in real life.

Major League Baseball’s investigation into the Astros and sign stealing is virtually certain to include interviews with three current managers — the Astros’ AJ Hinch, the Red Sox’s Alex Cora and the Mets’ Carlos Beltrán.

Hinch was the Astros’ manager in 2017, and sources said both Cora and Beltrán played a key role in devising the sign-stealing system the team used that season. The Astros stole signs electronically, according to pitcher Mike Fiers and three other sources inside the organization at the time, violating major league rules. The Athletic reported the news of the Astros’ rule-breaking on Tuesday.

Cora was the team’s bench coach in ’17; Beltrán was a designated hitter and outfielder in the final season of a 20-year career that might result in his election to the Hall of Fame. Multiple sources said they were not the only members of the team who participated in the Astros’ scheme that season.

Werthless wrote:That can occur in basically any stadium.

Bucky wrote:

Werthless wrote:That can occur in basically any stadium.

correct, but the 'unwritten rule' says no technology. not even binoculars.