Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby heyeaglefn » Tue Nov 12, 2019 15:53:51

CalvinBall wrote:would the batter hear the trashcan?

Yes, he must have beat the hell out of that thing.

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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby ReadingPhilly » Tue Nov 12, 2019 15:55:50

CalvinBall wrote:would the batter hear the trashcan?


Pitching for the White Sox in 2017, Danny Farquhar made two mid-September appearances at Minute Maid Park, just before the playoffs. One Astros source recalled that Farquhar appeared to visibly notice what the Astros were up to.

Farquhar, the source remembered, pointed to his ear on the mound.

“There was a banging from the dugout, almost like a bat hitting the bat rack every time a changeup signal got put down,” said Farquhar, who is now the pitching coach with the White Sox’s High-A affiliate in Winston-Salem, N.C. “After the third one, I stepped off. I was throwing some really good changeups and they were getting fouled off. After the third bang, I stepped off.”

Farquhar said he and his catcher changed the signs to the more complex kind used when a runner is on second base — a situation where base runners have long been able to legally relay signs, using their own eyes.

“The banging stopped,” Farquhar said. “My assumption was they were picking it up from the video and relaying the signs to the dugout. … That was my theory on the whole thing. It made me very upset. I was so angry, so mad, that the media didn’t come to me after.”

The impact of the Astros’ sign-stealing is difficult to assess. Not every player used it in Houston.

“There were guys who didn’t like it,” Fiers said. “There are guys who don’t like to know (what’s coming) and guys who do.”

Players who did use it would not necessarily use it all the time, either.

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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby azrider » Tue Nov 12, 2019 16:03:27

total bs, not every batter not wanting to know. this ain't a final exam for college, dude.

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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby MoBettle » Tue Nov 12, 2019 16:17:15

No spoilers
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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby heyeaglefn » Tue Nov 12, 2019 16:20:04

The only reason you wouldn't want to know is if it wasn't 100% imo.

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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby Uncle Milty » Tue Nov 12, 2019 16:27:47

Or a deep sense of fair play
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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby Squire » Tue Nov 12, 2019 16:57:23

I mean the lead time on the signal was pretty close to the actual pitch, I could see not wanting the extra thing to think about it up there too.

That being said, this is such a trash move by the Astros and arguably way worse than anything the Patriots did in videotaping practices.

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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby Werthless » Tue Nov 12, 2019 18:23:33

Squire wrote:I mean the lead time on the signal was pretty close to the actual pitch, I could see not wanting the extra thing to think about it up there too.

That being said, this is such a trash move by the Astros and arguably way worse than anything the Patriots did in videotaping practices.

They should lose draft picks and get fined. Not sure what the precedence of this is, but the org should face penalties.

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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby Rockinghorse » Tue Nov 12, 2019 18:29:17

Good for Fiers, I'm sure every position player in MLB will now hate him forever but that kind of thing needs to be reported. I don't know why they don't go to an NFL-type earpiece for pitcher/catcher/one person in dugout. Would speed the game up a bunch

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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby MoBettle » Tue Nov 12, 2019 18:29:25

That chapter in Astroball about Beltran being a genius at figuring out pitchers tipping pitches should probably be read in a whole new light. It was like a major plot point in their World Series against the Dodgers.
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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby Wheels Tupay » Tue Nov 12, 2019 19:30:57

Werthless wrote:
Squire wrote:I mean the lead time on the signal was pretty close to the actual pitch, I could see not wanting the extra thing to think about it up there too.

That being said, this is such a trash move by the Astros and arguably way worse than anything the Patriots did in videotaping practices.

They should lose draft picks and get fined. Not sure what the precedence of this is, but the org should face penalties.


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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Nov 12, 2019 22:33:44

Take all their draft picks and international money

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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby azrider » Tue Nov 12, 2019 23:57:09

Squire wrote:I mean the lead time on the signal was pretty close to the actual pitch, I could see not wanting the extra thing to think about it up there too.

That being said, this is such a trash move by the Astros and arguably way worse than anything the Patriots did in videotaping practices.


1.5 seconds is a long time in the game of baseball.

Cheating has and probably always will be a part of the culture in baseball. I do think when you incorporate tech or non players/coaches you do cross the line tho. Probably will get a slap on the wrist and a 5 minute timeout in the corner.

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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby MoBettle » Tue Nov 12, 2019 23:58:06

Cardinals had a guy go to jail for a crime and they got a slap on the wrist. They won't get anything.
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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby WilliamC » Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:12:54

MoBettle wrote:Cardinals had a guy go to jail for a crime and they got a slap on the wrist. They won't get anything.


This affected games in real time. This is the Cardinal sin. I bet they lose more than just their first rounder.
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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby BatFlipsFTW » Wed Nov 13, 2019 13:17:15

Squire wrote:I mean the lead time on the signal was pretty close to the actual pitch, I could see not wanting the extra thing to think about it up there too.

That being said, this is such a trash move by the Astros and arguably way worse than anything the Patriots did in videotaping practices.


Yeah I can see guys not wanting to know just for having sensory overload with listening for the beat of native drums.

Can't say this is surprising. Cheating is pervasive all throughout sports.
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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby Titlehungry » Wed Nov 13, 2019 13:22:35

They really should dismantle the franchise and relocate Bregman to the Phils
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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby Bucky » Wed Nov 13, 2019 13:29:45



instead of changing to the runner-on-base signs, the pitcher shoulda told the catcher 'call for a changeup but i'm gonna throw a fastball on the inner half'

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Re: Random Baseball News/Discussion: Heading into the 2020s

Postby Uncle Milty » Wed Nov 13, 2019 13:40:45

inner half of his right thigh!

I'm not one for sending messages through beanballs but if there was ever a time. Still not advocating headhunting but plunk the guy and then call it out to the dugout.
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