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by **Bucky** » Sat Apr 06, 2019 12:18:00

what would happen if he faced that nats refliefer guy

by **Napalm** » Sat Apr 06, 2019 12:33:41

Bucky wrote:what would happen if he faced that nats refliefer guy

they could finally build the wall brick-by-brick

by 1 » Sat Apr 06, 2019 12:39:00

pacino wrote:0-17 with 11ks and 4 walks

it's pretty sad

Bowker-like

by **Ace Rothstein** » Sun Apr 07, 2019 08:26:51

pacino wrote:0-17 with 11ks and 4 walks

it's pretty sad

0-40 going back to last year

by **td11** » Sun Apr 07, 2019 08:37:08

by **MoBettle** » Sun Apr 07, 2019 19:10:11

The Marlins are averaging under 10K people attending home games, would that be a record?

Also I was looking at attendance numbers on ESPN, and I noticed that the A's were 21st at 23k a game, which of course is bad but good for them. But then I looked into it further and that includes their Japan games against the Mariners which were 43+k sellout "home" games. In their actual home games they are averaging ~17k, which includes a series against the Red Sox of all teams where they averaged about 14k.

Some of the attendance numbers are really jarring/scary for some of these teams. Like in 2012 no one averaged under 19k people. Right now even buoyed by opening weekends there are 5 teams under that number, and that doesn't include the A's who will surely join them.

I imagine this isn't a new thought or anything but I just don't get how these teams come close to breaking even with gate numbers that bad.

by **Trent Steele** » Sun Apr 07, 2019 19:22:31

MoBettle wrote:The Marlins are averaging under 10K people attending home games, would that be a record?

Also I was looking at attendance numbers on ESPN, and I noticed that the A's were 21st at 23k a game, which of course is bad but good for them. But then I looked into it further and that includes their Japan games against the Mariners which were 43+k sellout "home" games. In their actual home games they are averaging ~17k, which includes a series against the Red Sox of all teams where they averaged about 14k.

Some of the attendance numbers are really jarring/scary for some of these teams. Like in 2012 no one averaged under 19k people. Right now even buoyed by opening weekends there are 5 teams under that number, and that doesn't include the A's who will surely join them.

I imagine this isn't a new thought or anything but I just don't get how these teams come close to breaking even with gate numbers that bad.

It's the changing economics of the game. Gate revenue now makes up less than 30 percent of total revenues leaguewide.

by **philliesphhan** » Sun Apr 07, 2019 19:24:46

Mark McGwire has 6 career triples. He hit four his rookie season.

Even his doubles are pretty much dwarfed by his HR 583 to 252

by **Trent Steele** » Sun Apr 07, 2019 19:28:10

Trent Steele wrote:
MoBettle wrote:The Marlins are averaging under 10K people attending home games, would that be a record?

Also I was looking at attendance numbers on ESPN, and I noticed that the A's were 21st at 23k a game, which of course is bad but good for them. But then I looked into it further and that includes their Japan games against the Mariners which were 43+k sellout "home" games. In their actual home games they are averaging ~17k, which includes a series against the Red Sox of all teams where they averaged about 14k.

Some of the attendance numbers are really jarring/scary for some of these teams. Like in 2012 no one averaged under 19k people. Right now even buoyed by opening weekends there are 5 teams under that number, and that doesn't include the A's who will surely join them.

I imagine this isn't a new thought or anything but I just don't get how these teams come close to breaking even with gate numbers that bad.

It's the changing economics of the game. Gate revenue now makes up less than 30 percent of total revenues leaguewide.

I also would expect that the day to day margins on gate revenue are lower than other revenue sources. It costs a lot of money to run a stadium. License deals, TV contracts, etc have very little marginal operation cost associated with them

by **MoBettle** » Sun Apr 07, 2019 19:44:23

Trent Steele wrote:
MoBettle wrote:The Marlins are averaging under 10K people attending home games, would that be a record?

Also I was looking at attendance numbers on ESPN, and I noticed that the A's were 21st at 23k a game, which of course is bad but good for them. But then I looked into it further and that includes their Japan games against the Mariners which were 43+k sellout "home" games. In their actual home games they are averaging ~17k, which includes a series against the Red Sox of all teams where they averaged about 14k.

Some of the attendance numbers are really jarring/scary for some of these teams. Like in 2012 no one averaged under 19k people. Right now even buoyed by opening weekends there are 5 teams under that number, and that doesn't include the A's who will surely join them.

I imagine this isn't a new thought or anything but I just don't get how these teams come close to breaking even with gate numbers that bad.

It's the changing economics of the game. Gate revenue now makes up less than 30 percent of total revenues leaguewide.

I know that was true for the NFL and NBA, but was under the impression that baseball is still pretty dependent on gate? Admittedly I haven't looked into it in a few years and that has probably changed with all of the big RSN deals. Still though, I feel like these teams that can't draw anyone would also run into issues there? Are they really just living off of revenue sharing? This isn't like basketball or football, there's comparatively few national games, people generally don't watch games where their teams aren't playing ect.

by **Slowhand** » Sun Apr 07, 2019 20:00:01

Was looking at pages of guys with 3000 hits or more. I was surprised to see that Robin Yount only hit .285 for his career. I always had it in my head that he was consistently over .300 each year. Looks like Ripken has the lowest batting average of the 3000 hit club at .276. Also, freaking A…Rod Carew kind of gets glossed over a bit, but he had some video game numbers in the batting average department.

by **swishnicholson** » Sun Apr 07, 2019 21:09:02

MoBettle wrote:
Trent Steele wrote:
MoBettle wrote:The Marlins are averaging under 10K people attending home games, would that be a record?

Also I was looking at attendance numbers on ESPN, and I noticed that the A's were 21st at 23k a game, which of course is bad but good for them. But then I looked into it further and that includes their Japan games against the Mariners which were 43+k sellout "home" games. In their actual home games they are averaging ~17k, which includes a series against the Red Sox of all teams where they averaged about 14k.

Some of the attendance numbers are really jarring/scary for some of these teams. Like in 2012 no one averaged under 19k people. Right now even buoyed by opening weekends there are 5 teams under that number, and that doesn't include the A's who will surely join them.

I imagine this isn't a new thought or anything but I just don't get how these teams come close to breaking even with gate numbers that bad.

It's the changing economics of the game. Gate revenue now makes up less than 30 percent of total revenues leaguewide.

I know that was true for the NFL and NBA, but was under the impression that baseball is still pretty dependent on gate? Admittedly I haven't looked into it in a few years and that has probably changed with all of the big RSN deals. Still though, I feel like these teams that can't draw anyone would also run into issues there? Are they really just living off of revenue sharing? This isn't like basketball or football, there's comparatively few national games, people generally don't watch games where their teams aren't playing ect.

One thing that needs to be factored in in looking at attendance figures is the average ticket price, which has climbed about 33% since 2012. It is a a worrisome picture that you describe, but additionally average revenue for clubs has gone up about 90 million since 2012, and the average payroll has also climbed ( with you no longer seeing the have nots down around the 20-40 million range) so somehow it's being dealt with for the time being.

by **lowcountry** » Sun Apr 07, 2019 21:12:55

Haven’t been this year (fuck you, Jeets, for getting rid of the only interesting thing in the building), but there were games I went to last year in Marlins Park where it was actually depressing to look at the “crowd.”

by **Slowhand** » Sun Apr 07, 2019 21:41:23

BALTIMORE -- Orioles first baseman Chris Davis is nearing a record streak for futility.

Davis was 0-for-4 with two strikeouts in Sunday's 15-3 loss to the New York Yankees. He is 0-for-23 with 13 strikeouts this season and is hitless in 44 at-bats since a second-inning double off James Shields of the Chicago White Sox last Sept. 14.

Davis is two shy of the record for consecutive hitless at-bats by a position player, according to the Elias Sports Bureau. Los Angeles Dodgers infielder Eugenio Velez went hitless in his final 46 at-bats of the 2011 season, one more than the previous mark shared by Pittsburgh's Bill Bergen (1909), Dave Campbell of San Diego and St. Louis (1973) and Milwaukee's Craig Counsell (earlier in 2011).

by **bleh** » Sun Apr 07, 2019 21:49:26

They're wrong about Eugenio Velez. He was 0 for 37 for the whole year in 2011. His streak stretched back to 2010: https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... eu01.shtml

by **swishnicholson** » Mon Apr 08, 2019 00:25:12

bleh wrote:They're wrong about Eugenio Velez. He was 0 for 37 for the whole year in 2011. His streak stretched back to 2010: https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... eu01.shtml

But did he continue the streak in 2012?

Oh.

*edit: actually kind of interesting that he hit .280 in 136 games in AAA in 2012 with an .808 OPS without managing to get called up. apparently playing to this day in Mexican leagues.

by **LastTrain** » Mon Apr 08, 2019 07:46:05

2019 33 Baltimore Orioles $23,000,000
2020 34 Baltimore Orioles $23,000,000
2021 35 Baltimore Orioles $23,000,000
2022 36 Baltimore Orioles $23,000,000

by **wiivile** » Mon Apr 08, 2019 23:18:25

https://www.philly.com/sports/trump-can ... 90408.html

What does Trump have to do with baseball? Why does MLB care about Trump?

by **stevelxa476** » Tue Apr 09, 2019 09:29:44

wiivile wrote:https://www.philly.com/sports/trump-cancels-mlb-baseball-cuba-deal-20190408.html

What does Trump have to do with baseball? Why does MLB care about Trump?

Immigants comin to steal are jerbs.

by **wiivile** » Tue Apr 09, 2019 09:43:35

stevelxa476 wrote:
wiivile wrote:https://www.philly.com/sports/trump-cancels-mlb-baseball-cuba-deal-20190408.html

What does Trump have to do with baseball? Why does MLB care about Trump?

Immigants comin to steal are jerbs.

Why is MLB listening to Donald Trump though?

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