Bucky wrote:just saw it, wasn't that extraordinary. he was going to the ground and didn't even lower his shoulder.

USA Today wrote:As for Rule 7.13, Rizzo says: "My understanding is if they have the ball, it's game on.

"I know it's very sensitive when there's a collision at the plate. By all means do I hope Hedges is all right. It's a play where I'm out by two steps. I slide, he runs into me. It's one of those plays it's unfortunate he exited."

rolex wrote:

Shore wrote:

rolex wrote:After the way that Rizzo plowed the Pad's catcher last night, I'd throw at his head until I hit him if I was the pitcher for SD tonight. Rizzo was way out of line last night and if the Commissioner won't punish him for it, it should be settled on the field.

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You'd throw at his head for a collision at the plate? That play MAY have violated a rule, but he wasn't headhunting, didn't go spikes first, didn't go for a knee, etc. He collided with him. Shoulder to chest, basically.

Rizzo knew the rule on contact with the catcher and bowled him over anyway. Hedges knew the rule as well and didn't set himself up for a hit like that. Hedges was knocked half silly with the contact; whiplash matters.
As for Rizzo leading with his shoulder, so did Pete Rose when he nailed Ray Fosse in the AS game and basically ended his career. If a Rizzo wants to play hard old school ball, he should expect that type of retaliation. What do you think Bob Gibson, Don Drysdale and the like would have done to a guy who rolled McCarver or Roseboro under similar circumstances? If Rizzo doesn't want to get beaned, don't play stupid.

rolex wrote:Wrong. He suffered a dislocated shoulder on his throwing arm and was never the same after that collision. He played on and teams hoped that he would recover to be his former self but that never happened.

rolex wrote:He played but was never what he could have been. In 1970 he looked to be Johnny Bench pt II. Never happened. Couldn't throw and his power hitting was gone. To his credit, he never blamed Rose for a cheap play but it was what it was. Everyone knew that Rose had gone over the top with that play. The AS game was an exhibition game.

Shore wrote:

rolex wrote:He played but was never what he could have been. In 1970 he looked to be Johnny Bench pt II. Never happened. Couldn't throw and his power hitting was gone. To his credit, he never blamed Rose for a cheap play but it was what it was. Everyone knew that Rose had gone over the top with that play. The AS game was an exhibition game.

He hit .264 with 4 homers before the allstar break that year. After his "career-ending" injury, he hit .291 with 8 homers after the allstar break. OPS was .667 before, .807 after.

BigEd76 wrote:ol friend fathands almost hits one out of a pitcher-friendly stadium

Ruf is hitting a solid .297/.398/.539 with 13 HR's in Korea after a terrible start he had to this season. Lions' big investment paying off

Shore wrote:

rolex wrote:He played but was never what he could have been. In 1970 he looked to be Johnny Bench pt II. Never happened. Couldn't throw and his power hitting was gone. To his credit, he never blamed Rose for a cheap play but it was what it was. Everyone knew that Rose had gone over the top with that play. The AS game was an exhibition game.

He hit .264 with 4 homers before the allstar break that year. After his "career-ending" injury, he hit .291 with 8 homers after the allstar break. OPS was .667 before, .807 after.

Fosse had a 23-game hitting streak in the first half, at age 23. He hit 16 home runs before the break and just two the rest of the season.

Bucky wrote:shore is looking at 1971, not 1970, when the incident occurred

pacino wrote:

BigEd76 wrote:ol friend fathands almost hits one out of a pitcher-friendly stadium

Ruf is hitting a solid .297/.398/.539 with 13 HR's in Korea after a terrible start he had to this season. Lions' big investment paying off