ReadingPhilly wrote:lol at trading wentz.

I will preface this by saying that football is very different from baseball, in that the QB in football has more direct influence on the overall quality of the team than any player on a baseball team has.

Having said that, we know it's a principle of baseball, and players themselves occasionally get reminded of as much by their front offices, that nobody is really untouchable in the right deal and teams have discussions all the time about people they are unlikely to trade. Would I give up Rhys Hoskins or Aaron Nola or Sixto Sanchez? Not for all the tea in China. But if somebody has a mind to offer all the tea in China, you listen.

Now, I know football is different - the whole point of having those big time high draft picks is to find Carson Wentz - and we found him. I wouldn't even listen to an offer for Wentz - UNLESS Foles goes out and tears it up in the Super Bowl and the Eagles beat Brady, Belichick, and the big bad Patriots.

If that happens, well, what more can any QB do? Nobody can outdo that, which tells you the Eagles as constituted can and probably would be competitive - not as good, but competitive, with Foles at the helm. Meanwhile, the Eagles have, for my mind, THE most valuable asset in the NFL. Admittedly, getting a "valuation" of an asset is the first step towards selling that asset, and basically I think it is a bad idea to trade Wentz - but if Cleveland wanted to blow our doors off for him, wouldn't you at least want to know what the offer would be? I could imagine both 1sts this year, plus the 1st in 2019, and 2021, with a second in 2020 and a 3rd in 2022 as not outside the realm of possibility, or some similar package. If you got another team involved - I mean, seriously, what WOULDN'T the Jets or Vikings or some other long suffering franchise give for Wentz?

Don't really want to do, but if Foles beats the Patriots whole putting up a good or better performance, I kind of have the feeling of confidence to want to find out exactly what the most valuable player in the NFL is really worth.

Wolfgang622 wrote:If that happens, well, what more can any QB do?

Be a pretty good bet to get us playoff byes the next 10-12 years

This is why we can't have nice things.

Wentz is a generational talent, having that makes you a contender every year. Look at GB, they have Rodgers and a bad coach and bad gm, but Rodgers talent transcends all that to make them a contender every single year he's healthy.

We have at the very least a good GM and good coach (probably vast understatements on both) add a top 3 QB to that mix for the next decade and you are looking at a potential dynasty. Getting rid of Wentz and relying on your FO and coach to get the right guys year after and pull the right strings year after year is definitely possible, but HIGHLY unlikely. Having a superstar stud QB can help you gloss over missed draft picks, bad FA signings in the long term, and bad playcalls/designs in the short term. No amount of Myles Garrets and future first round picks are close to the value that a guy like wentz provides to an organization.

Gimpy wrote:A Carson Wentz type player is great and all, but a draft pick could end up being anything. It could even be a Carson Wentz type player!

this was good. We already on a boat

imagine have two carson wentzes

About Foles though, I don’t get why people throw out his great season and act like the Jeff Fisher season is the real him. Fisher had Bradford, Foles, Keenum, and Goff at various times in his tenure in St Louis and they pretty much all underperformed for him.

In both of his stints here, Foles has shown poise, leadership, good decision-making, and has risen to the occasion when called upon. Is he “the answer” for a team? Probably not if the question is “who can be the franchise QB who transforms our bad franchise into a good one?” But he probably could be the answer if someone is looking to add a good leader/decision-maker to a playoff team.

I dunno, just my $0.02, but I also don’t watch much football so I probably have no idea what I’m talking about.

The hypothetical Browns trade is as close a godfather offer as you'd get. You'd consider it then say no.

it took us basically ten years of shitty qbs to land on carson. please stop.

He said the answer would be no though

Being curious about what you might get for Wentz is like being curious about what it feels like to stick my uncut penis (4.5 inches limp) in a tank full of Oscars.

dude

oscars as in the hollywood award statue?

The award?

Grouches, I think

The arrested development character?

there was a gay character on the television series the office named oscar

I think he meant lobsters.

CalvinBall wrote:

ReadingPhilly wrote:lol at trading wentz.

yeah this is such a bad conversation

Wentz trade is perfectly good content for 10 days before the game. There won't be any actual news to discuss until next week when Doug's KC mistress goes public