Gonzo's new mock this morning:

CLE - Wiggins
MIL - Parker
PHI - Exum
ORL - Embiid
UTA - Vonleh
BOS - Gordon
LAL - Smart
SAC - McDermott
CHA - Randle
PHI - Saric
DEN - Stauskas

NOPE....I'm out

I mean what are his creds

At least gimme Diesel Lynum

We aren't taking Saric at 10. That possibility is no longer on the table.

ReadingPhilly wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:

Houshphandzadeh wrote:if you spend your whole draft prep thinking about how bad guys could be instead of how good they can be, you're gonna pass on Dwight Howard for Okafor, Drummond for Thomas Robinson, etc etc

He's not saying that at all. He was saying that, the less you know about a player, the more likely it is you'll project based on you're own human nature.

It's not binary. All he's saying is, in the absence of information, if you're going to project high, it's worth considering the alternative.

Pretty lazy to think those that have scouted him haven't done so.

Not so.

JFLNYC wrote:

ReadingPhilly wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:

Houshphandzadeh wrote:if you spend your whole draft prep thinking about how bad guys could be instead of how good they can be, you're gonna pass on Dwight Howard for Okafor, Drummond for Thomas Robinson, etc etc

He's not saying that at all. He was saying that, the less you know about a player, the more likely it is you'll project based on you're own human nature.

It's not binary. All he's saying is, in the absence of information, if you're going to project high, it's worth considering the alternative.

Pretty lazy to think those that have scouted him haven't done so.

Not so.

so you think that russillo's "scouts" have just as much info on exum as Hinkie and crew?

td11 wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:

ReadingPhilly wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:

Houshphandzadeh wrote:if you spend your whole draft prep thinking about how bad guys could be instead of how good they can be, you're gonna pass on Dwight Howard for Okafor, Drummond for Thomas Robinson, etc etc

He's not saying that at all. He was saying that, the less you know about a player, the more likely it is you'll project based on you're own human nature.

It's not binary. All he's saying is, in the absence of information, if you're going to project high, it's worth considering the alternative.

Pretty lazy to think those that have scouted him haven't done so.

Not so.

so you think that russillo's "scouts" have just as much info on exum as Hinkie and crew?

Irrelevant to his point.

So you think teams have sat down and projected only his ceiling and not his floor?

how so? I am assuming the Sixers know a shitload more about Exum than you or me or Russillo's scouts. there isn't an "absence of information" just because he didn't play his high school ball stateside. i'll give you that he's played against inferior competition but i have a hard time believing the sixers haven't gone above and beyond in scouting him

ReadingPhilly wrote:So you think teams have sat down and projected only his ceiling and not his floor?

So you think that asking rhetorical questions distorting what he wrote and I said is going to get you the answer you desire?

Wait a second, you're telling me that more information on these guys is better and that projections aren't just on potential, but also the likelihood of reaching that potential? Ryen Russillo is a genius.

Assuming Russillo didn't conjure these scouts out of thin air, why would we assume they've done more or less due diligence than Hinkie?

Also, didn't think it was that controversial a statement to say that it's human nature to dissect flaws the more you see a college player.

i guess i'm just used to assuming everyone is Jayson Stark with his "rival exec said"

Who would you guy rank the ceiling highest of? Feel like Wiggins is still top three or so and we've seen more of him than everyone but Marcus Smart

td11 wrote:how so? I am assuming the Sixers know a shitload more about Exum than you or me or Russillo's scouts. there isn't an "absence of information" just because he didn't play his high school ball stateside. i'll give you that he's played against inferior competition but i have a hard time believing the sixers haven't gone above and beyond in scouting him

Not his point. He's saying what is unquestionably right: That we all bring our human nature to projecting players and, the less information we have, the more we're prone to do so. Who has more information is irrelevant. The question is how much of our own human nature to we bring to decisions like this and that's a very good question to ask. If you're suggesting that each NBA exec is so finely tuned to his own psyche that he carefully considers his own bias and prejudices and accurately factors them into each player protection, all of which are made with a high degree of subjectivity and imperfect information, then you're right, he's got no point.

JFLNYC wrote:

td11 wrote:how so? I am assuming the Sixers know a #$!&@ more about Exum than you or me or Russillo's scouts. there isn't an "absence of information" just because he didn't play his high school ball stateside. i'll give you that he's played against inferior competition but i have a hard time believing the sixers haven't gone above and beyond in scouting him

Not his point. He's saying what is unquestionably right: That we all bring our human nature to projecting players and, the less information we have, the more we're prone to do so. Who has more information is irrelevant. The question is how much of our own human nature to we bring to decisions like this and that's a very good question to ask. If you're suggesting that each NBA exec is so finely tuned to his own psyche that he carefully considers his own bias and prejudices and accurately factors them into each player protection, all of which are made with a high degree of subjectivity and imperfect information, then you're right, he's got no point.

Feel like there's a reasonable analogy to be made here about Exum::College Player as Hinkie::More Established GM.

Not to say that he couldn't be Branch Rickey, especially with his few moves so far, but we're working on severely limited data and projecting hope on to him.

As a robot, Hinkie has no human nature.

JFLNYC wrote:

td11 wrote:how so? I am assuming the Sixers know a shitload more about Exum than you or me or Russillo's scouts. there isn't an "absence of information" just because he didn't play his high school ball stateside. i'll give you that he's played against inferior competition but i have a hard time believing the sixers haven't gone above and beyond in scouting him

Not his point. He's saying what is unquestionably right: That we all bring our human nature to projecting players and, the less information we have, the more we're prone to do so. Who has more information is irrelevant. The question is how much of our own human nature to we bring to decisions like this and that's a very good question to ask. If you're suggesting that each NBA exec is so finely tuned to his own psyche that he carefully considers his own bias and prejudices and accurately factors them into each player protection, all of which are made with a high degree of subjectivity and imperfect information, then you're right, he's got no point.

i agree with your point about human nature. if you think "who has more information is irrelevant," then yeah, this is a pointless discussion. i think hinkie is armed with far more info that anything we've read/seen about exum and will therefore make a much more informed decision than you or i can

To go from tank for Wiggins to Exum and some PF without MCW next year is really gonna fuckun suck

brett brown went dingo hunting with his dad for god's sakes

Barry Jive wrote:Who would you guy rank the ceiling highest of? Feel like Wiggins is still top three or so and we've seen more of him than everyone but Marcus Smart

still think it's embiid