Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby pacino » Fri Jan 06, 2017 13:25:21

It's a weird (not weird, completely expected) thing to see the same people that were very upset about the server and its possible implications now not caring at all about actual hacks and demanding classified verification be provided as proof of it.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Jan 06, 2017 13:26:35

pacino wrote:You hold out more hope than I as far as investigations go; I hope I am wrong. I honestly, truly do.


Took the words right out of my mouth.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby swishnicholson » Fri Jan 06, 2017 13:27:03

But aren't we all actually glad the information that was leaked came out?
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby pacino » Fri Jan 06, 2017 13:31:00

swishnicholson wrote:But aren't we all actually glad the information that was leaked came out?

These agencies are ridiculous sieves. I was blasting the fbi during the Comey thing and I do think it's bad that they had to try to publicly persuade through the leaks to WaPo to convince people. But, if Obama had come out and presented this would aa many people have believed it, or would there be even more inflexibility to the notion that it happened?

I don't know, you bring up a good point in regards to the leaks. If they just came with the report I wonder what would've happened. I'm very concerned with how broken DC is; I don't think it's broken in the same way as other people do, though.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby pacino » Fri Jan 06, 2017 13:36:40

John Kerry said in an interview with Andrea Mitchell that when he steps down in 2 weeks that it won't be the last you've heard of him. Let's hope he stays engaged, he's a very smart man.

Eric Holder has been contracted by the state of California to defend it against possible coming federal intrusion.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Jan 06, 2017 13:37:27

06hawkalum wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
06hawkalum wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:Only not extending Obama's political appointee ambassadors, not recalling career foreign service ambassadors or other diplomats

Still its dumb, and you know it's dumb, and most Republican leaders know its dumb but most will either support this, even if only by simply remaining silent.

It's not dumb. Obama's domestic political appointees are all out as of Jan 20, so should his foreign appointees. The complaints seem to almost entirely focus on ambassadors with school age children having their school years interrupted. Trump should extend the term of Obama political appointees so they don't have to find a house to rent in their countries so their kids can finish the school year? GTFO

Yet I am sure that you are perfectly fine with our First Mail Order Lady and little prince staying in the NYC WH so that he can finish up the school year in his ultra exclusive prep school. To the winner goes the spoils right?

I would rather they moved to save the money, but the situations aren't the same.

These are political appointees. Their jobs end when Obama's term ends unless the next administration wants to keep them on. I don't really think Trump should feel the need to keep Obama bundlers on in ambassadorial roles because they have kids in school in those countries. Rent a house for the remainder of the school year if staying in country that important to you.


Why the need to break with tradition?

Here's the NY Times article - In Break With Precedent, Obama Envoys Are Denied Extensions Past Inauguration Day - My read is extensions aren't granted all that often, and to the extent that some are it is a pretty stupid tradition. Again, these are people who are political appointees. 1/20/2017 wasn't like some random date that snuck up out of nowhere.

The specific examples of ambassadors who wanted to stay on from the NYT article are below -

In Costa Rica, Ambassador Stafford Fitzgerald Haney is hunting for a house or an apartment as his family — which includes four school-age children and his wife, who has been battling breast cancer — struggles to figure out how to avoid a move back to the United States with five months left in the school year, according to the diplomats.

In the Czech Republic, they said, Ambassador Andrew H. Schapiro is seeking housing in Prague as well as lobbying his children’s Chicago-based school to break with policy and accept them back midyear. In Brussels and Geneva, Denise Bauer, the United States ambassador to Belgium, and Pamela Hamamoto, the permanent representative to the United Nations, are both trying to find a way to keep daughters from having to move just months before their high school graduation.

Haney and his wife gave almost $300k to Obama and other Democrats in 2008 and 2012. Schapiro, a law school classmate of Obama's, bundled over $500k for Obama's reelection. Denise Bauer also bundled over $500k for Obama's reelection. Hamamoto is a childhood friend of Obama's who also bundled over $500k for Obama's reelection. I honestly could not give less of a fuck that they aren't being kept on through May or June so their kids can finish the school year while living in government housing. If there was an example of a political appointee who was actually in the middle of an important project and was being denied the ability to stay on until someone new was confirmed, that might be something worth writing about. Oh my god these rich people might have to house hunt or figure out how to lobby their kids' private school to take them back mid-year since their appointment that they knew had a set end date actually ended. How terrible.

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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby Bucky » Fri Jan 06, 2017 13:42:06

As far as this conversation is concerned, I could care less about their reason for wanting to stay. (of course i care from a human perspective, but that's not the point here).

What is best and prudent for US relations? And what has been customary in the past?

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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Jan 06, 2017 14:02:52

1/20/17 wasn't some random date that snuck up on Melania and her son either. And what's the cost for security? Something like $1MM a day just so poor little Barron doesn't have to switch posh, private schools?

If you don't give a fuck about rich people being inconvenienced and sucking on the public tit, fine, but at least be consistent.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby pacino » Fri Jan 06, 2017 14:06:20

Trump doesn't realize what he picked in Mattis.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Jan 06, 2017 14:14:50

So Trump's latest misdirection attempt is to call on Congress to investigate leaks from the Intelligence agencies about Russian hacking. Don't investigate the hacking, mind you, just whether parts of the report -- much of which will be made public next week -- were leaked.

Next up? He'll probably call for Anthony Weiner's laptop to be investigated.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby Youseff » Fri Jan 06, 2017 14:20:13

@realDonaldTrump
While Putin is scheming and beaming on how to take over the World, President Obama is watching March Madness (basketball)!

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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Jan 06, 2017 14:23:19

Youseff wrote:
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While Putin is scheming and beaming on how to take over the World, President Obama is watching March Madness (basketball)!

8:14 PM - 20 Mar 2014


. . . when he could have been watching The Apprentice!
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby thephan » Fri Jan 06, 2017 14:24:04

There is an article in the WaPo about Mattis clashing with the transition team around his staff. Team Trump is putting up candidates, and Maddawg is swatting them down. Essentially he wants people loyal to him, and not back channeling to a political benefactor. Did not seem to like a billionaire running his army w/o his agreement. The gold however is at the bottom of the article, and below.

UPDATE: The Trump transition team emailed me this statement: “We are ahead of schedule with assembling the most qualified cabinet and administration in history. Any implication contrary to that is completely false and from sources who do not have any knowledge of our transition efforts.”


Is TT required to communicate like the boss?

-> Tangentially, I saw Kellyanne from NJ losing her sh*t this morning about Trump and Russia. I am not sure if she is just in her crazy pants mode, or if this is getting to her, but she was like an angry dog that hit the end of its leash. Her message is that the Bromance is 100% made up by the media. Russia is afraid of a strong leader like The Don, much more then they were of Hillary.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby 06hawkalum » Fri Jan 06, 2017 14:24:47

pacino wrote:Trump doesn't realize what he picked in Mattis.


Yeah, the Mattis pick stuck out like a sore thumb. He isn't someone who will put up with The Blob's BS. I doubt he lasts long.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby slugsrbad » Fri Jan 06, 2017 14:26:24

Youseff wrote:
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While Putin is scheming and beaming on how to take over the World, President Obama is watching March Madness (basketball)!

8:14 PM - 20 Mar 2014


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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby thephan » Fri Jan 06, 2017 14:32:09

So with Pac and I on different trains to the same station (4 Star Gold line, Mattis), it is interesting that this has come out in different venues. Only because of who Mattis is and the integrity he has exhibited is the less concern about the break in tradition in naming a Flag Officer to run the military. I am sure there will be close scrutiny, but he is reported to be 100% squared away. Did Team Trump reach out to correct the story with The Hill? Need to scan Politico to get a third take.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby thephan » Fri Jan 06, 2017 14:36:55

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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby pacino » Fri Jan 06, 2017 14:38:36

thephan wrote:There is an article in the WaPo about Mattis clashing with the transition team around his staff. Team Trump is putting up candidates, and Maddawg is swatting them down. Essentially he wants people loyal to him, and not back channeling to a political benefactor. Did not seem to like a billionaire running his army w/o his agreement. The gold however is at the bottom of the article, and below.

UPDATE: The Trump transition team emailed me this statement: “We are ahead of schedule with assembling the most qualified cabinet and administration in history. Any implication contrary to that is completely false and from sources who do not have any knowledge of our transition efforts.”


Is TT required to communicate like the boss?

-> Tangentially, I saw Kellyanne from NJ losing her sh*t this morning about Trump and Russia. I am not sure if she is just in her crazy pants mode, or if this is getting to her, but she was like an angry dog that hit the end of its leash. Her message is that the Bromance is 100% made up by the media. Russia is afraid of a strong leader like The Don, much more then they were of Hillary.

the email blasts are probably crafted by Hope Hicks, who quickly glommed onto Trump-speak.

The issue is Flynn has been able to install people that won't clash with him while Mattis hasn't been afforded this luxury. Mattis is a 'mad dog' when it comes time to go to the battlefield but, from what i've read, believes in the idea of fighting the root cause (extreme poverty) of much of the radicalization of people in unstable regions, whether it's Central America or the Middle East. Flynn's bomb 'em all to hell ideas certainly clash with that. The interesting part is Mattis has to be confirmed and go before the Senate, whereas Flynn does not have to publicly state his views when he probably has the ear of the President more than Mattis does.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby pacino » Fri Jan 06, 2017 14:42:04

swishnicholson wrote:But aren't we all actually glad the information that was leaked came out?

look, Wikileaks is upset about leaks (oh, now Obama LOVES leaks 8-) ):

@wikileaks
The Obama admin/CIA is illegally funneling TOP SECRET//COMINT information to NBC for political reasons before PEOTUS even gets to read it.


also, they want to mass dox people on twitter now:
@WLTaskForce
We are thinking of making an online database with all "verified" twitter accounts & their family/job/financial/housing relationships.
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Re: Putin The Donald in the White House - Politics

Postby Brantt » Fri Jan 06, 2017 14:47:18

pacino wrote:It's a weird (not weird, completely expected) thing to see the same people that were very upset about the server and its possible implications now not caring at all about actual hacks and demanding classified verification be provided as proof of it.


The days of blindly following the intelligence communities died when James Clapper went up and flat out lied under oath about the NSA violating citizen's rights and freedoms. He should have been indicted. Bottom line is people are going to support the intelligence findings if it lines up with them politically and attack it if it hurts them politically. Case in point James Comey who was both praised and hated by both liberals and conservatives at various times in the last year depending on which side his actions favored.

It's a hypocritical joke on both sides.
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