The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Youseff » Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:53:57

I think that's a defeatist attitude. more people voted for Hillary by A LOT. he will have fans but it's not hard to imagine he'll have the lowest approval rating of any modern president. worse than Bush I reckon.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:09:10

I can't remember who said it (I believe Richmond) but Democrats always try to be the reasonable adults in the room. Even now, Dems in Congress are talking about ways to work with Trump on stuff like infrastructure.

Fuck that shit. I'm over it. The left needs a tea party movement that will force our elected officials to work for us and if they don't, they will be primaried. It's already in motion, groups are organizing.

The sad part is I'm a liberal and even I, who preferred Bernie Sanders, went with Hillary because I believed that she was more electable, the more moderate one who can work across the aisle. I'm done with that mentality.

I want politicians who are willing to roll up their sleeves and get in there with us to push a real progressive agenda. And more importantly, find a way to get back all those white working class folks that vote against their best interests because they feel the Democratic party has abandoned them.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:15:39

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Our wonderful future V.P. Mike Pence was harassed last night at the theater by the cast of Hamilton, cameras blazing.This should not happen! The Theater must always be a safe and special place.The cast of Hamilton was very rude last night to a very good man, Mike Pence. Apologize!

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:16:48

You need a big tent to win elections. You also need to energize your base. Lefty Dems can start by taking on Rs in state legislatures, but also supporting moderates in more conservative areas. Move from there.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Stay_Disappointed » Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:20:55

drsmooth wrote:Do you imbecilic #$!&@ genuinely understand what's happened in the past few days?

A jackass who LOST the popular vote by a MILLION PLUS BALLOTS, who has ZERO capacity to do the job he's been 'elected' to do, an unprincipled, temperamental dunce who endangers your life and the lives of your loved ones while he draws breath, aided & abetted by a cast of characters right out of a Jay Ward cartoon, will be the #$!&@ president of our United States.

sure, I start from a baseline of "I hate everybody", and politics is an endless, grim procession of often soul-curdling compromises. But at the simplest level, you should be inclined to imagine that people mostly like you - people who aren't racists, who aren't bootlickers, who aren't cheering on the aforementioned national embarrassment in chief - are NOT your real 'enemy', and that those who are a collection of mostly the opposite characteristics are people whose inclinations you probably SHOULD resist.

I'll put the length of the list of my personal shortcomings up against anyone's. I wish it weren't so long. It feels like I try to work on trimming it, at least a little, most days. I admit it may be hard for anyone to detect. I don't need anyone scolding me for ... I don't even know what the purpose of that is.

I DO need to hear what anyone thinks ought to be what people should do next. I happen to think there's not THAT much need for huge, radical transformation (see 1 MILLION PLUS MORE POPULAR VOTES), and certainly not for a lot of forelock-tugging and shirt-rending. I could be really wrong about that.


I thought the intention of the electoral college was to prevent trumplike situations. People are motivated and organized to pressure the electors - Pennsylvania electors have already admitted that they are receiving letters/phone calls/etc.

As far as the senate confirmations (especially sessions) I believe it's easier - people have to put pressure on their senators- pat "not a rubber stamper" toomey should be a top target. Just bombard him with calls and demonstrate nonstop wherever he is

Overall Dems (especially minorities) are going to have 2 options:
-Peaceful demonstrations and working through the system
-violent action

Anyway after the us population remember how Shitty republican rule is the Dems should make huge gains. There is no excuse for every woman and minority's to vote - turnout in those groups should be 100%
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby JFLNYC » Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:53:48

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Our wonderful future V.P. Mike Pence was harassed last night at the theater by the cast of Hamilton, cameras blazing.This should not happen! The Theater must always be a safe and special place.The cast of Hamilton was very rude last night to a very good man, Mike Pence. Apologize!
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The wonderful cast of Hamilton was harassed today in public by our future President, Donald Trump. This should not happen! Public discourse must always be an open and special place. Our future President was very rude today to some wonderful, diverse and talented people. Apologize and stop trying to take away our First Amendment rights, you whiny, rude little hypocrite!
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Sat Nov 19, 2016 13:00:53

What a joke.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Sat Nov 19, 2016 13:05:57

TenuredVulture wrote:You need a big tent to win elections. You also need to energize your base. Lefty Dems can start by taking on Rs in state legislatures, but also supporting moderates in more conservative areas. Move from there.



This. Need to start on the local level. ALEC and their GOP henchmen are passing everything on the state level. And now the supreme court will likely give more power to those people at the state level. Yes, we need the veto power of the presidency, but we also have to start winning more locally
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Sat Nov 19, 2016 13:07:42

Warszawa wrote:
drsmooth wrote:Do you imbecilic #$!&@ genuinely understand what's happened in the past few days?

A jackass who LOST the popular vote by a MILLION PLUS BALLOTS, who has ZERO capacity to do the job he's been 'elected' to do, an unprincipled, temperamental dunce who endangers your life and the lives of your loved ones while he draws breath, aided & abetted by a cast of characters right out of a Jay Ward cartoon, will be the #$!&@ president of our United States.

sure, I start from a baseline of "I hate everybody", and politics is an endless, grim procession of often soul-curdling compromises. But at the simplest level, you should be inclined to imagine that people mostly like you - people who aren't racists, who aren't bootlickers, who aren't cheering on the aforementioned national embarrassment in chief - are NOT your real 'enemy', and that those who are a collection of mostly the opposite characteristics are people whose inclinations you probably SHOULD resist.

I'll put the length of the list of my personal shortcomings up against anyone's. I wish it weren't so long. It feels like I try to work on trimming it, at least a little, most days. I admit it may be hard for anyone to detect. I don't need anyone scolding me for ... I don't even know what the purpose of that is.

I DO need to hear what anyone thinks ought to be what people should do next. I happen to think there's not THAT much need for huge, radical transformation (see 1 MILLION PLUS MORE POPULAR VOTES), and certainly not for a lot of forelock-tugging and shirt-rending. I could be really wrong about that.


I thought the intention of the electoral college was to prevent trumplike situations. People are motivated and organized to pressure the electors - Pennsylvania electors have already admitted that they are receiving letters/phone calls/etc.

As far as the senate confirmations (especially sessions) I believe it's easier - people have to put pressure on their senators- pat "not a rubber stamper" toomey should be a top target. Just bombard him with calls and demonstrate nonstop wherever he is

Overall Dems (especially minorities) are going to have 2 options:
-Peaceful demonstrations and working through the system
-violent action

Anyway after the us population remember how Shitty republican rule is the Dems should make huge gains. There is no excuse for every woman and minority's to vote - turnout in those groups should be 100%



what worries me is Sessions making it very hard for minorities to vote. It may get very difficult to wrestle back control of much of anything.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Sat Nov 19, 2016 13:52:51

Monkeyboy wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:You need a big tent to win elections. You also need to energize your base. Lefty Dems can start by taking on Rs in state legislatures, but also supporting moderates in more conservative areas. Move from there.



This. Need to start on the local level. ALEC and their GOP henchmen are passing everything on the state level. And now the supreme court will likely give more power to those people at the state level. Yes, we need the veto power of the presidency, but we also have to start winning more locally

PA has to lay off 600 people at jobless centers because the PA GOP refuses to compromise with the governor on the simplest things. Why? If they ever do compromise they get primaried by someone crazier. I'm not sure this 'tea party of the left' thing is going to be that much better for us as far as actual governance goes.

Our union has been going on about this (the centers shutdown) for a long time now but the public is not engaged. Now the part of the public that needs it the most won't have it.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Sat Nov 19, 2016 14:31:56

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Youseff » Sat Nov 19, 2016 14:42:26

agreed
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby slugsrbad » Sat Nov 19, 2016 15:02:05

He should let it go.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby smitty » Sat Nov 19, 2016 15:15:33

Doll Is Mine wrote:
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Our wonderful future V.P. Mike Pence was harassed last night at the theater by the cast of Hamilton, cameras blazing.This should not happen! The Theater must always be a safe and special place.The cast of Hamilton was very rude last night to a very good man, Mike Pence. Apologize!


Any ideas regarding who really wrote that?
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Youseff » Sat Nov 19, 2016 15:15:42

I would recommend listening to this week's Fresh Air story on Bannon for the two of you that were naive to think RENEGADE JEW was a harmless headline.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Youseff » Sat Nov 19, 2016 15:33:06

this is weird, Bannon runs (used to?) this non-profit the Government Accountability Institute which does research on corruption. the guy that runs it day to day, Peter Schweizer, wrote Clinton Cash which was one of the many reasons Clinton lost. well now he's warning his former boss' boss, Trump to be ethical.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/19/politics/ ... d=31354348

"The hope is that safeguards are being put in place, that the Trump Organization leadership is on guard for precisely this type of scenario," Schweizer told CNN's Michael Smerconish. "Because I think, based on history, it's only a question of time when these kind of offers are made. And if they take these offers, it's hugely problematic."
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby wwry » Sat Nov 19, 2016 17:07:49

The Nightman Cometh wrote:We aren't liberal enough is definitely why we lost the electoral college.

oh my god hillary got her ass beat by orange hitler and you're still doing this?
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby wwry » Sat Nov 19, 2016 17:09:29

even when a fascist uprising takes the country by storm just keep hippie punching.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Sat Nov 19, 2016 17:15:07

Jeff Sessions is probably going to be AG. Steve Bannon has the incoming President's ear. Michael Dlynn thinks Islam is a cancer and was fired for being an incompetent buffoon. He is going to be the National Security Adviser and we're still fucking arguing about how horrible Obama or the Democrats are. I've had liberals tell me it won't make a difference because we're already so bad and Obama is worse than Bush. NO WE AREN'T. NO HE ISNT IT CAN BE SO MUCH WORSE. There are things I don't like that we have been doing but I believed in the legitimacy and capabilities of those in charge. The capabilities of those coming in is SEVERELY lacking. This is going to be very very bad.

We need to get Foster Campbell elected to be one Republican vote away from stopping Trump on some very bad incoming policy.we don't need this bullshit infighting.

Now, if you like Trump, fine. The above was for Democrats and those opposed to Trump.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby wwry » Sat Nov 19, 2016 17:29:29

as long as center left dems and leftists cant unite theres going to be infighting forever. just hope whoever comes out on top of that fight can take our country back and clean up the mess/make it better.
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