Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Nov 09, 2016 16:31:25

gr wrote:
drsmooth wrote:
gr wrote:Rachel Maddow: "We've never had a popular two-term president campaign with all his heart for his successor, only to see that successor lose!"

C'mon, at least try to know a little about recent history. It even involves the same family for chrissakes.



someone needs to know a little more than a little



listen, let me tell you something straight: you're a dick. that's a fact. get over yourself if you think you can talk down to me, you self-important fake-intellectual burnout.

glad we finally got this cleared up.

He may have been a dick, but he's right. Clinton was throught to be an albatross in 2000 and Gore didn't want him on the campaign trail. He would barely even speak to Clinton in the final year-plus of their terms. Clinton appeared at the DNC but didn't do much else.

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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby Grotewold » Wed Nov 09, 2016 16:32:37

Doll Is Mine wrote:If I'm the Democrats in Congress, I try to work with Trump on stuff like infrastructure, trade deals, etc. Trump is not a Republican so he might be open to working with the Dems, who I imagine he has less animosity towards then he does the Republicans in Congress.


Interesting thought. Especially if his end game was starting a TV channel or, more broadly, profit.

He doesn't need to be an asshole for that, anymore. And he could build an actual legacy.

(I know.)

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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby Soren » Wed Nov 09, 2016 16:32:41

right or not doc has made it a point to be a huge festering cunt to gr for a long time now.
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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby Youseff » Wed Nov 09, 2016 16:35:23

TomatoPie wrote:The temptation is to find who or what to blame:

1) racist rednecks
2) Jill Stein, Gary Aleppo
3) Comey
4) Entitled Clinton machine, wooden Hillary, etc
5) Whitelash
6) PC pushback*

May have been a perfect storm of all these things. Smart people understand that Trump solves nothing, but underestimated the frustration of the unskilled workforce.

* http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump ... tical-corr

A lot of people think there are only two genders—boy and girl. Maybe they're wrong. Maybe they should change that view. Maybe it's insensitive to the trans community. Maybe it even flies in the face of modern social psychology. But people think it. Political correctness is the social force that holds them in contempt for that, or punishes them outright.

If you're a leftist reading this, you probably think that's stupid. You probably can't understand why someone would get so bent out of shape about being told their words are hurtful. You probably think it's not a big deal and these people need to get over themselves. Who's the delicate snowflake now, huh? you're probably thinking. I'm telling you: your failure to acknowledge this miscalculation and adjust your approach has delivered the country to Trump.

There's a related problem: the boy-who-cried-wolf situation. I was happy to see a few liberals, like Bill Maher, owning up to it. Maher admitted during a recent show that he was wrong to treat George Bush, Mitt Romney, and John McCain like they were apocalyptic threats to the nation: it robbed him of the ability to treat Trump more seriously. The left said McCain was a racist supported by racists, it said Romney was a racist supported by racists, but when an actually racist Republican came along—and racists cheered him—it had lost its ability to credibly make that accusation.


W started a multi-trillion dollar war with no exit probably ever that's killed millions of people. that's a horribly stupid passage.
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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby TomatoPie » Wed Nov 09, 2016 16:36:55

pacino wrote:George Bush blew up a region, John McCain wanted to build the dang fence before Trump did and Romney also wondered where the birth certificate was. They catered to racist elements within their party. This isn't on liberals crying wolf about previous nominees. It's on the GOP.


McCain and Romney have their flaws, especially McCain. But they are decent human beings, like Hillary.

When you demonize your decent opponents, you diminish your ability to fully characterize the actual demon.

Again - I feel it was perfect storm. This is more on the people who enabled Trump and voted for him. But it's useful to know the full story.
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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Nov 09, 2016 16:38:18

pacino wrote:
Soren wrote:
Slowhand wrote:I hope we're all just being a bunch of overreacting chicken littles and we'll look back at this in a few years and laugh at ourselves for being such crybaby pussies. There's a chance of that happening, right?


lol no. Top to bottom the country is going to be run by the extreme far right.

the west coast and NY should be OK

Don't forget that 2018 was already set up to be a bloodbath for Dems in the Senate. It'll get worse before it gets better.

And Virginia has its off-off-year elections next year. Fuck me.

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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Nov 09, 2016 16:38:30

pacino wrote:
Soren wrote:
Slowhand wrote:I hope we're all just being a bunch of overreacting chicken littles and we'll look back at this in a few years and laugh at ourselves for being such crybaby pussies. There's a chance of that happening, right?


lol no. Top to bottom the country is going to be run by the extreme far right.

the west coast and NY should be OK

Don't forget that 2018 was already set up to be a bloodbath for Dems in the Senate. It'll get worse before it gets better.

And Virginia has its off-off-year elections next year. Fuck me.

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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby heyeaglefn » Wed Nov 09, 2016 16:39:11

Slowhand wrote:I hope we're all just being a bunch of overreacting chicken littles and we'll look back at this in a few years and laugh at ourselves for being such crybaby pussies. There's a chance of that happening, right?

Some things are inevitable like the Supreme Court, but there should be hope that it won't be the absolute worst case across the board.

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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby heyeaglefn » Wed Nov 09, 2016 16:40:17

I'm not sure I'd feel any better if this was Cruz and Pence instead of Trump and Pence.

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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Wed Nov 09, 2016 16:44:23

Soren wrote:right or not doc has made it a point to be a huge festering cunt to gr for a long time now.


Guilty as charged


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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Wed Nov 09, 2016 16:48:55

pacino wrote:
. I am not saying this is Pelosi's fault, but the top three in the Democratic Party House leadership are now a combined 230 years old and have lost four straight elections without any shakeup. I

This almost goes without saying, but they won't learn that from this, though they should (i'm completely with Gimpy on this). Elected Democrats usually stay in line...and there's not much new blood at all. We're screwed. It's up to your party.


Occupy (and I have no doubt we will be seeing protests again at some point) needs to take a page from the Tea Party and build the grass roots electoral coalitions to start running young candidates for state legislatures and even the House of Reps. The DNC should start helping young enthusiastic candidates with seed money. There are victories to be won here. I think the Democratic leadership also needs to do a better job listening. Elites on both sides are missing something--none of use really understand why so many people want to blow stuff up.

The other reality--if Hillary really did run 5 million votes behind Obama, then there's a big chunk of the answer right there.
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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Wed Nov 09, 2016 16:49:22

heyeaglefn wrote:I'm not sure I'd feel any better if this was Cruz and Pence instead of Trump and Pence.

I might feel worse.
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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby PSUsarge » Wed Nov 09, 2016 16:49:59

pacino wrote:Lou Barletta is from that area

interesting read

this was long coming. The GOP created the ability for a Trump to rise within their party.
Absolutely. The demographics of NEPA have changed quite a bit over the past 10-15 years. Couple that with the economic decline and it's not surprising that these areas would go all in on Trump.

This area is also aging, which would imply growth in the healthcare sector, but for some reason these areas are just stuck on bringing the past back rather than embracing future opportunities. The city of Pittsburgh should be a model for these areas.

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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby Gimpy » Wed Nov 09, 2016 16:55:00

TenuredVulture wrote:
heyeaglefn wrote:I'm not sure I'd feel any better if this was Cruz and Pence instead of Trump and Pence.

I might feel worse.


I'd be much more concerned personally

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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Wed Nov 09, 2016 17:02:41

Brietbart and fellow Co nationalists will be setting the agenda and running the country for the next 4 years. And principled republicans and thought leaders of the party will all fall in line. Already seeing lots of "he won't be that bad" lines

This guy is not my president. The only family in the world I have are my parents and brother and we don't belong in Donald Trump's America. Haven't felt this low in a long time
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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby Youseff » Wed Nov 09, 2016 17:05:07

libs should have been nice to GW and this wouldn't have happened is probably the most hot fire take possible I've seen in the last 18 hours. I don't think we'll get more trenchant analysis than that about this election.
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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Nov 09, 2016 17:07:53

Exit polls are showing that white women supported Trump over Clinton 53 to 43.

Jesus christ.

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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Nov 09, 2016 17:08:01

Exit polls are showing that white women supported Trump over Clinton 53 to 43.

Jesus christ.

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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Wed Nov 09, 2016 17:08:49

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Re: Your New President Donald J trump Politics Thread

Postby Slowhand » Wed Nov 09, 2016 17:12:04

The number of people in my life who I will never be able to look at the same way again is depressing. Drain the swamp indeed.
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