11/8/16 Election Day Reckoning Political thread

Re: 11/8/16 Election Day Reckoning Political thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:44:12

JUburton wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
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jerseyhoya wrote:A political politician, well I never
I mean even if you like Rubio, you have to cringe at going from seemingly not caring much for being a senator, to running for president (and clearly stating he will not run for senate), to lambasting trump, to getting destroyed and saying hey i guess i'll just run for senate again, to saying we must elect donald trump. POTUS said it best...he's willing to be anyone just to be someone.

The only bit in there he flip flopped on was running for re-election to the Senate, which is in the grand scheme of political flip flops a pretty trivial thing, and in doing so he might save the Senate for the party. Really nothing to cringe at there. Also he's infinitely more competent than his opponent.
says you can't trust donald trump with nuclear codes but you have to vote for him. its just weird that he probably could condemn trump in that state and still win yet he's nearly stumping for the guy. i get they're pretty much all cowards but this seems particularly craven.

He's running a campaign with the central theme that whoever wins the White House is a bad choice, and the next US Senator from Florida needs to be a check on them. He has called out Trump repeatedly. His rationale for endorsing Trump is he pledged to support the nominee, and that he disagrees with Trump on many things but with Clinton on everything.

If he was nearly stumping for Trump, you'd think he could've actually stumped with Trump in the dozens of rallies Trump has held in the state over the past few months. Or that he could have said something nice about him at some point along the way. I guess we have different definitions of what stumping for a candidate means.

And I don't know why you would think he'd be able to unendorse without a big penalty. The presidential race is going to be within a point or two in Florida, and we certainly learned in March an awful lot of Florida voters prefer Trump to Rubio. Them being in open warfare would've torpedoed his chances. He's doing what he needs to do to get reelected, bless him. Not much nobility in throwing away a winnable race.

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Re: 11/8/16 Election Day Reckoning Political thread

Postby JUburton » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:49:37

sorry, not literally stumping. he's going to win by 5-8 points. if he says, i cant vote for either of these people but i can be your voice in keeping them in check, i just don't think that margin disappears. of course i have no real data behind that but i cant see it sinking him. and if saying you're going to vote, and others should vote for someone you don't actually think is fit to be president isn't basically the definition of politically craven, then i dunno, man. it seems like we agree that he's doing everything in his power to get reelected without any regard to any principles he might hold so there's that.

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Re: 11/8/16 Election Day Reckoning Political thread

Postby pacino » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:54:47

Democrats are going to lose Indiana Senate seat and win NC
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Re: 11/8/16 Election Day Reckoning Political thread

Postby slugsrbad » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:57:05

pacino wrote:Democrats are going to lose Indiana Senate seat and win NC


Evan Bayh Bayh

True fact, his real name is Birch Evans Bayh III.
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Re: 11/8/16 Election Day Reckoning Political thread

Postby pacino » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:09:31

the Vermont governor's race is weird
a Republican may win by running on a platform Bernie Sanders opposes, partly due to a 3rd party guy called Spaceman Bill Lee who support Sanders and partly due to the cost of things people who back Sanders want.
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Re: 11/8/16 Election Day Reckoning Political thread

Postby CalvinBall » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:16:10

running in florida. version with "mormons" running in utah.


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Re: 11/8/16 Election Day Reckoning Political thread

Postby jamiethekiller » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:17:37

a man with nearly even odds to win the election isn't allowed to use twitter because he's so irrational.

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Re: 11/8/16 Election Day Reckoning Political thread

Postby MoBettle » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:17:49

That's kind of gross. (The ad)
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Re: 11/8/16 Election Day Reckoning Political thread

Postby pacino » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:18:13

jamiethekiller wrote:a man with nearly even odds to win the election isn't allowed to use twitter because he's so irrational.

we at bsg have not banned him. so he has that.
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Re: 11/8/16 Election Day Reckoning Political thread

Postby pacino » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:24:48

MoBettle wrote:That's kind of gross. (The ad)

the ad makes the point multiples of people have in the past in regards to his 'policy'. the ad takes the policy to the logical conclusion. maybe you think that's too far, and perhaps it is, but it's simply applying logic. he'll go for mexicans and muslims first, and he'll just stop? that's not how scapegoating works.

Trump invited this man on stage last night to pump up the crowd.
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Re: 11/8/16 Election Day Reckoning Political thread

Postby JUburton » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:25:05

jamiethekiller wrote:a man with nearly even odds to win the election isn't allowed to use twitter because he's so irrational.
He's probably a 4 or 5 to 1 underdog at this point.

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Re: 11/8/16 Election Day Reckoning Political thread

Postby Soren » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:27:31

JUburton wrote:
jamiethekiller wrote:a man with nearly even odds to win the election isn't allowed to use twitter because he's so irrational.
He's probably a 4 or 5 to 1 underdog at this point.


I want to believe that but I'm a miserable dick so
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Re: 11/8/16 Election Day Reckoning Political thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:30:20

pacino wrote:Transition team update from Trump... Giuliani as Attorney General, Newt Gingrich as Secretary of State, Reince Preibus as chief of staff, Michael Flynn as defense secretary or National Security adviser, Steven Mnuchin as Treasury secretary, Lew Esineberg as commerce secretary. Corey Lewansowski or David Bossie would be the RNC chairman!

is this a Democratic GOTV effort?

What is this actually serious? Gingrich as SoS?

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Re: 11/8/16 Election Day Reckoning Political thread

Postby pacino » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:31:38

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
pacino wrote:Transition team update from Trump... Giuliani as Attorney General, Newt Gingrich as Secretary of State, Reince Preibus as chief of staff, Michael Flynn as defense secretary or National Security adviser, Steven Mnuchin as Treasury secretary, Lew Esineberg as commerce secretary. Corey Lewansowski or David Bossie would be the RNC chairman!

is this a Democratic GOTV effort?

What is this actually serious? Gingrich as SoS?

NBC News
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Re: 11/8/16 Election Day Reckoning Political thread

Postby Eem » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:31:53

Apparently, a major surge in Hispanic early voters in Florida, which would obviously be a disaster for Trump

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/artic ... s-iv7he39o
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Re: 11/8/16 Election Day Reckoning Political thread

Postby slugsrbad » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:35:18

Soren wrote:
JUburton wrote:
jamiethekiller wrote:a man with nearly even odds to win the election isn't allowed to use twitter because he's so irrational.
He's probably a 4 or 5 to 1 underdog at this point.


I want to believe that but I'm a miserable dick so


You hide it so well tho.
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Re: 11/8/16 Election Day Reckoning Political thread

Postby MoBettle » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:37:28

pacino wrote:
MoBettle wrote:That's kind of gross. (The ad)

the ad makes the point multiples of people have in the past in regards to his 'policy'. the ad takes the policy to the logical conclusion. maybe you think that's too far, and perhaps it is, but it's simply applying logic. he'll go for mexicans and muslims first, and he'll just stop? that's not how scapegoating works.

Trump invited this man on stage last night to pump up the crowd.


Well first of all it's just begging for someone to cut off the last two seconds and make it seems like he actually said that.

Even the actual ad is really quick with the clarification.

Idk I feel like if someone did the equivalent with having Obama or Clinton saying they're are going to take all the guns away or free up abortion laws people would be up in arms about it. He's said enough crazy shit there's no need to put words in his mouth.
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Re: 11/8/16 Election Day Reckoning Political thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:37:29

MoBettle wrote:That's kind of gross. (The ad)

No, what's gross is that it's a valid point that can be made about the candidate of a major political party for the role of the most powerful person in the world.

Is it harsh? Sure. But it's not wrong.

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Re: 11/8/16 Election Day Reckoning Political thread

Postby pacino » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:39:12

Eem wrote:Apparently, a major surge in Hispanic early voters in Florida, which would obviously be a disaster for Trump

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/artic ... s-iv7he39o

i've tried not to follow too much of this early voting stuff, so i wonder if they ever ask if they're Cuban or non-Cuban, but wow to these numbers:
There are 1.5 million registered voters in Miami-Dade county (56 percent of whom are Hispanic), including nearly 30,000 added during a last-minute voter-registration drive in October, after Democratic Party officials went to court to extend the deadline in the wake of Hurricane Matthew. Through Saturday, according to Smith, 707,844 county residents had already voted: 44 percent were Democrats, 30 percent Republican, and 25 percent had “no party affiliation," a group that tends to skew younger and Hispanic, and thus toward Clinton. The demographic mix of early voters also looks highly favorable to Clinton: 58 percent Hispanic, 17 percent African-American and 20 percent white.
But the late registrants, Smith says, give the clearest indication that sentiment in Miami-Dade is running strongly against Trump. Of the 29,657 voters who registered last month, 41 percent are Democrats, 44 percent are unaffiliated, and only 12.5 percent are Republicans. “That’s nuts,” said Smith. “These are the barometers that indicate the hostility toward the GOP candidate.”

Among the 117,000 African Americans who voted early, 22,500 didn’t vote in 2012. “Basically, one in five blacks and one in three Hispanics didn’t vote in 2012 in Miami-Dade and have already cast a ballot,” said Smith. “I have a hard time believing that many of these first-time voters are in the Trump camp after his scorched earth campaign against immigrants and, specifically, Hispanics.”
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Re: 11/8/16 Election Day Reckoning Political thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:40:46

MoBettle wrote:
pacino wrote:
MoBettle wrote:That's kind of gross. (The ad)

the ad makes the point multiples of people have in the past in regards to his 'policy'. the ad takes the policy to the logical conclusion. maybe you think that's too far, and perhaps it is, but it's simply applying logic. he'll go for mexicans and muslims first, and he'll just stop? that's not how scapegoating works.

Trump invited this man on stage last night to pump up the crowd.


Well first of all it's just begging for someone to cut off the last two seconds and make it seems like he actually said that.

Even the actual ad is really quick with the clarification.

Idk I feel like if someone did the equivalent with having Obama or Clinton saying they're are going to take all the guns away or free up abortion laws people would be up in arms about it. He's said enough crazy #$!&@ there's no need to put words in his mouth.

Well yeah, of course it's quick with the disclaimer. They can't make people think that he actually said it--he'd sue them, and he'd win. Other people can do what they want. In this day and age, it's not like it's hard to do that stuff (swap audio from another clip and overlay it). A 10 year old with a laptop and an internet could do it in under 30 minutes.

And abortion or gun policies aren't comparable to targeting immigrant minority groups.

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