Orange is the new whack (politics)

Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby Bucky » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:07:55

thanks, right you are.

and i actually misinterpreted this myself, too. Being the WSJ, I thought "Wall" was referencing the street, so the 'softens tone' was to the financial district/NYC edition, and the right was to the rest of the world spinning that he would be tough on the street.


WSJ is anti-hillary and be extension pro-trump, aren't they???

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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby pacino » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:10:48

they are not fans of either. it is a fairly conservative, corporate paper.
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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:11:04

what's with the 'liberal hero' stuff?

is that just so you can disregard any info found in the leaks?

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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby pacino » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:12:49

no?

he's been a liberal hero for years. i haven't ever much liked him. i think they've conflated snowden/manning with assange himself. some are finally coming to my side, but that's neither here nor there.

i do find it funny he requires NDAs of his employees when he won't redact anything anymore.
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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby Doll Is Mine » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:12:58

Khizr Khan to campaign for Hillary in Virginia apparently.

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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby pacino » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:21:04

classic ghost post
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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:23:04

yeah. don't really want to argue with you. everyone agrees the guy is a scumbag

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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby Doll Is Mine » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:24:00

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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby pacino » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:24:01

thephan wrote:pacino's posting is one of the more important things revealed in weeks.

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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby pacino » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:25:15

Houshphandzadeh wrote:yeah. don't really want to argue with you. everyone agrees the guy is a scumbag

no worries, we probably disagree on the importance of the Podesta emails. I've never doubted their veracity, obviously they are truthful (though I would anticipate that it's certainly possible some false ones were spliced in or can easily be done in the future with the lack of vetting Wikileaks does).
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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:26:12

Houshphandzadeh wrote:yeah. don't really want to argue with you. everyone agrees the guy is a scumbag

Not everyone. Right now he's a hero of the alt-right. Greenwald still talks him up at every opportunity.

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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby Soren » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:27:59

Houshphandzadeh wrote:yeah. don't really want to argue with you. everyone agrees the guy is a scumbag


Not my experience, a handful of (left wing) people I know still look at him as some kind of hero preventing insiders like Clinton from getting away with murdering journalists and starting wars.

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Houshphandzadeh wrote:yeah. don't really want to argue with you. everyone agrees the guy is a scumbag

Not everyone. Right now he's a hero of the alt-right. Greenwald still talks him up at every opportunity.


He's the weird intersection of the alt right and the far, far left.
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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:28:38

I don't think Greenwald talks him up as a person at all, he just pushes back against the idea that because Assange is scummy, the info in the leaks is therefore irrelevant or not true

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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby pacino » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:29:03

i do worry she'll go along with 'consensus in Washington' on foreign affairs. this is why it's important to hold her to account if she wins the presidency.

I don't think Wikileaks is doing much to help hold her to account.
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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby Wolfgang622 » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:40:23

Hearing this morning on the radio that the price of health insurance on the federal exchanges is going to increase, in some places - like Pennsylvania - dramatically.

The timing of this could be better.
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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby thephan » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:11:24

Soren wrote:
He's the weird intersection of the alt right and the far, far left.


I have always viewed political leanings as a circle with the extremes meeting at the top. The Fringe Right and Loony Left start to trip over each other up in that rare air, they just disagree with who benefits/loses from the conspiratorial outcome.
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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby pacino » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:12:11

Toomey v McGinty:
For the most part, the discussion covered much of the same ground as last week’s debate in Pittsburgh. The loudest round of cheers and boos came toward the end of the night, when the candidates were responding to a question from moderator Jim Gardner about racism in American police departments. The boos started when Toomey began describing what he called “the problem with the Black Lives Matter movement.”

“I’m absolutely convinced that the vast majority of policemen and policewoman across this Commonwealth and the country are not racists,” Toomey said. “They’re trying to do the very best they can to protect us. And the problem with the Black Lives Matter movement, and Katie McGinty propagating this, is just that that phrase itself is meant to impugn the integrity of the police by implying that they don’t think that black lives do matter. And in fact, it’s my view that all lives matter, and I think police get that.”

The phrase “all lives matter” seems anodyne enough in a vacuum, but supporters of the Black Lives Matter movement bristle at it. That’s probably because it so often sounds like a glib affirmation of the value of human life, used to shut down conversations about structural problems that primarily hurt black people. Toomey was both booed and cheered for his answer. Moments earlier, in response to the same question, McGinty had uttered the phrase “black lives matter.” But in context, it sounded quite a bit like an “all lives matter” sort of pivot.

“We’ve made a lot of progress in this country in terms of taking on racism and discrimination, but we by no means have succeeded in eradicating racism and discrimination from our society,” McGinty said. “Let me say, in my faith tradition, I am happy to say black lives matter, because from where I stand, when we recognize the dignity of any person, we’re all lifted up. And when any person is denied dignity, we’re taken down.”

ONCE AGAIN, Toomey refused to say who he’ll vote for in the presidential election. Gardner asked him directly, and Toomey gave another version of the answer he’s been giving regularly: Both candidates are bad, and he feels “stuck,” but he believes that Trump might sign some legislation and nominate some Supreme Court justices that he likes.
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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby thephan » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:15:08

Look carefully at who pays what before the broad brush of its horrible is used. Certainly the plan needs something between tweaked and reworked, but there has to be some recognition of the potential good that medical care induced bankruptcy could be cured. If we can just retrain people to see preventive care versus making the emergency room more affordable.
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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby Polar Bear Phan » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:44:02

thephan wrote:
Soren wrote:
He's the weird intersection of the alt right and the far, far left.


I have always viewed political leanings as a circle with the extremes meeting at the top. The Fringe Right and Loony Left start to trip over each other up in that rare air, they just disagree with who benefits/loses from the conspiratorial outcome.


I describe it as the political globe. The fringes are on boats in the Pacific to stay away from the CHEMTRAILz. :wink:

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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:45:12

what's the bottom of the circle? what are the sides?

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