Orange is the new whack (politics)

Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby pacino » Sat Oct 22, 2016 14:36:42

The department of dreams and butterflies would be fully funded.
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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby wwry » Sat Oct 22, 2016 14:40:21

there wouldn't be any money left after the Full-Communism-Now policy
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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby pacino » Sat Oct 22, 2016 14:41:33

This att/time Warner merger looks like bad news
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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby Stay_Disappointed » Sat Oct 22, 2016 15:07:59

Monkeyboy wrote:
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Speaking Monday to Philadelphia’s WPHT-AM radio in an interview promoting fellow Republican Sen. Pat Toomey, McCain made it clear for the first time that Republicans will continue to block anyone the next president nominates to the Supreme Court as well as the last one: “I promise you that we will be united against any Supreme Court nominee that Hillary Clinton, if she were president, would put up,” McCain said.



what BS. There's nothing they can do if she wins. Are they planning to keep the number of justices at 8 forever, adding to the empty spots as others retire?

I hope she punishes this nonsense by picking the most liberal judge she can find that 50 dem senators will vote for. And I was Obama, I would pull the other guy's nomination and not allow them to confirm him while Obama's a lame duck. If there's no downside, they'll do it again when the time comes.


There is a downside:pulling Merrick Garland's nomination would be a rotten thing to do to a fellow human being, and I think Barack Obama is genuinely above that sort of thing, and even if he isn't by instinct, doing so would cede the moral/political high ground.

EDIT: Yes, and the filibuster.


Yeh, they can filibuster, but I'm not sure that's really something to fear here. If not for Trump's insanity, they would be paying a price for not giving this guy an up or down vote. If they lose the election, especially as bad as it looks like they will, how long could they filibuster? Dems could rightfully point out that they lost across the board. People will eventually see the obstruction, as they are now seeing the gender and race discrimination. Let them filibuster and fill the airways with their craziness...more and more people will see that it's not just donald trump.

But agree on the human aspect. Is it that unusual to pull a nomination as circumstances change?


Do you expect that the senate will allow a vote on Garland in the lame duck period?
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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby Monkeyboy » Sat Oct 22, 2016 15:13:16

Warszawa wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:
mozartpc27 wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:
Warszawa wrote:
Speaking Monday to Philadelphia’s WPHT-AM radio in an interview promoting fellow Republican Sen. Pat Toomey, McCain made it clear for the first time that Republicans will continue to block anyone the next president nominates to the Supreme Court as well as the last one: “I promise you that we will be united against any Supreme Court nominee that Hillary Clinton, if she were president, would put up,” McCain said.



what BS. There's nothing they can do if she wins. Are they planning to keep the number of justices at 8 forever, adding to the empty spots as others retire?

I hope she punishes this nonsense by picking the most liberal judge she can find that 50 dem senators will vote for. And I was Obama, I would pull the other guy's nomination and not allow them to confirm him while Obama's a lame duck. If there's no downside, they'll do it again when the time comes.


There is a downside:pulling Merrick Garland's nomination would be a rotten thing to do to a fellow human being, and I think Barack Obama is genuinely above that sort of thing, and even if he isn't by instinct, doing so would cede the moral/political high ground.

EDIT: Yes, and the filibuster.


Yeh, they can filibuster, but I'm not sure that's really something to fear here. If not for Trump's insanity, they would be paying a price for not giving this guy an up or down vote. If they lose the election, especially as bad as it looks like they will, how long could they filibuster? Dems could rightfully point out that they lost across the board. People will eventually see the obstruction, as they are now seeing the gender and race discrimination. Let them filibuster and fill the airways with their craziness...more and more people will see that it's not just donald trump.

But agree on the human aspect. Is it that unusual to pull a nomination as circumstances change?


Do you expect that the senate will allow a vote on Garland in the lame duck period?


They seem to be hinting that way. I guess it's not fair to pull the rug out from under the guy, but it seems like there should be some political price for their refusal to have a vote.
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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby Gimpy » Sat Oct 22, 2016 15:14:44

I still think Kasich is the most likely republican nominee in 2020. He's the only one from this field that neither endorsed (unless I missed something) nor got totally clowned by Trump and he has a lot of national recognition.

I don't think people who've tied themselves to Trump are going to do well on a national level going forward.

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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby Stay_Disappointed » Sat Oct 22, 2016 15:40:38

Monkeyboy wrote:
Warszawa wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:
mozartpc27 wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:
Warszawa wrote:
Speaking Monday to Philadelphia’s WPHT-AM radio in an interview promoting fellow Republican Sen. Pat Toomey, McCain made it clear for the first time that Republicans will continue to block anyone the next president nominates to the Supreme Court as well as the last one: “I promise you that we will be united against any Supreme Court nominee that Hillary Clinton, if she were president, would put up,” McCain said.



what BS. There's nothing they can do if she wins. Are they planning to keep the number of justices at 8 forever, adding to the empty spots as others retire?

I hope she punishes this nonsense by picking the most liberal judge she can find that 50 dem senators will vote for. And I was Obama, I would pull the other guy's nomination and not allow them to confirm him while Obama's a lame duck. If there's no downside, they'll do it again when the time comes.


There is a downside:pulling Merrick Garland's nomination would be a rotten thing to do to a fellow human being, and I think Barack Obama is genuinely above that sort of thing, and even if he isn't by instinct, doing so would cede the moral/political high ground.

EDIT: Yes, and the filibuster.


Yeh, they can filibuster, but I'm not sure that's really something to fear here. If not for Trump's insanity, they would be paying a price for not giving this guy an up or down vote. If they lose the election, especially as bad as it looks like they will, how long could they filibuster? Dems could rightfully point out that they lost across the board. People will eventually see the obstruction, as they are now seeing the gender and race discrimination. Let them filibuster and fill the airways with their craziness...more and more people will see that it's not just donald trump.

But agree on the human aspect. Is it that unusual to pull a nomination as circumstances change?


Do you expect that the senate will allow a vote on Garland in the lame duck period?


They seem to be hinting that way. I guess it's not fair to pull the rug out from under the guy, but it seems like there should be some political price for their refusal to have a vote.


Another thing is that if Hillary is serious about trying to work with republicans it would probably be a bad idea to nominate a very liberal judge. On the other hand Hillary just might say fuck it and hope the senate nukes the filibuster.
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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby Bucky » Sat Oct 22, 2016 15:42:51

if the D's control the chambers they can re-write the rules that re-introduced the filibuster, right??

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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Oct 22, 2016 15:50:30

There were no rules that reintroduced the filibuster, but they could eliminated it if they wanted to with 51 votes

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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Oct 22, 2016 17:02:04

The New York Times endorsed Patrick Murphy #gamechange

Also he cancelled a debate he agreed to on Univision because Rubio and Univision wanted the debate to be mostly in Spanish with Murphy's answers translated for viewers, and Murphy wanted the debate to be entirely in English and have them both dubbed.

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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby Doll Is Mine » Sat Oct 22, 2016 17:52:36

jerseyhoya wrote:The New York Times endorsed Patrick Murphy #gamechange

Also he cancelled a debate he agreed to on Univision because Rubio and Univision wanted the debate to be mostly in Spanish with Murphy's answers translated for viewers, and Murphy wanted the debate to be entirely in English and have them both dubbed.


I would've canceled too.

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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Oct 22, 2016 18:20:52

Probably shouldn't have accepted a debate on Univision against a guy who spoke Spanish in the first place, then

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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby slugsrbad » Sat Oct 22, 2016 18:29:55

Yea, dumb move by Patrick Murphy. He should have gotten those details set in stone before hand.
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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby Monkeyboy » Sat Oct 22, 2016 18:41:07

Warszawa wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:
Warszawa wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:
mozartpc27 wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:
Warszawa wrote:
Speaking Monday to Philadelphia’s WPHT-AM radio in an interview promoting fellow Republican Sen. Pat Toomey, McCain made it clear for the first time that Republicans will continue to block anyone the next president nominates to the Supreme Court as well as the last one: “I promise you that we will be united against any Supreme Court nominee that Hillary Clinton, if she were president, would put up,” McCain said.



what BS. There's nothing they can do if she wins. Are they planning to keep the number of justices at 8 forever, adding to the empty spots as others retire?

I hope she punishes this nonsense by picking the most liberal judge she can find that 50 dem senators will vote for. And I was Obama, I would pull the other guy's nomination and not allow them to confirm him while Obama's a lame duck. If there's no downside, they'll do it again when the time comes.


There is a downside:pulling Merrick Garland's nomination would be a rotten thing to do to a fellow human being, and I think Barack Obama is genuinely above that sort of thing, and even if he isn't by instinct, doing so would cede the moral/political high ground.

EDIT: Yes, and the filibuster.


Yeh, they can filibuster, but I'm not sure that's really something to fear here. If not for Trump's insanity, they would be paying a price for not giving this guy an up or down vote. If they lose the election, especially as bad as it looks like they will, how long could they filibuster? Dems could rightfully point out that they lost across the board. People will eventually see the obstruction, as they are now seeing the gender and race discrimination. Let them filibuster and fill the airways with their craziness...more and more people will see that it's not just donald trump.

But agree on the human aspect. Is it that unusual to pull a nomination as circumstances change?


Do you expect that the senate will allow a vote on Garland in the lame duck period?


They seem to be hinting that way. I guess it's not fair to pull the rug out from under the guy, but it seems like there should be some political price for their refusal to have a vote.


Another thing is that if Hillary is serious about trying to work with republicans it would probably be a bad idea to nominate a very liberal judge. On the other hand Hillary just might say fuck it and hope the senate nukes the filibuster.


Good point. If she follows in Obama's footsteps, she probably won't want to signal that she'll be a hardass.
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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby Bucky » Sat Oct 22, 2016 18:56:07

jerseyhoya wrote:Probably shouldn't have accepted a debate on Univision against a guy who spoke Spanish in the first place, then



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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby Youseff » Sat Oct 22, 2016 20:58:15

@DrJillStein Oct 17
Where is the defense of Wikileaks from all the pundits who've speculated that Trump would try to silence critical journalism?


do wikileaks count as journalists? they just share stuff they got from Chelsea Manning or the ruskies.
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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby Wolfgang622 » Sat Oct 22, 2016 23:27:04

Bucky wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:Probably shouldn't have accepted a debate on Univision against a guy who spoke Spanish in the first place, then



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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby pacino » Sat Oct 22, 2016 23:30:36

First major newspaper to endorse The Donald is Sheldon Adelson' Las Vegas Review Journal

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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby Doll Is Mine » Sun Oct 23, 2016 01:14:57

Los Angeles Times @latimes
This is a letter Trump sent us in 2008. He was upset about an article on Trump University, later threatened to sue. http://lat.ms/2dWeAnR


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Re: Orange is the new whack (politics)

Postby td11 » Sun Oct 23, 2016 09:31:20

Just going to point out again that he has the signature of a psychopath
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