Luzinski's Gut wrote:Gallup released a poll showing American belief in an objective press is at an all time low.

That's going to have more major ramifications that the next Presidency I think.

pacino wrote:

Houshphandzadeh wrote:

pacino wrote:vox interviews Greenwald on why he bashes Clinton so much, even if it is helping elect Donald Trump. he rejects the premise and does his usual misrepresentation of those opposed to his views.

he doesn't think journalists should be advocates when he most clearly is one himself.

what's the misrepresentation? who is he an advocate for?

disruption. he thinks hackers are 'hacktivists' not criminals.

he's clearly an advocate for 'openness', and to him that means we get to rifle through Colin Powell's emails that criminals stole. he has, for years, tilted his coverage to be fairly specifically anti-west and equivocating the crimes some nations do with ours. he has issues with perfectly legal spy programs (we converge on excesses that were in FISA as i've catalogued over the years but he thinks we somehow should not be spying on other countries and had very spurious reporting around the subject). he seems to purposely misrepresent what some programs had been doing and what the collection of metadata actually meant. people have forgotten how in 2013 he had lots of crappy reporting on the subject.

at this point he fairly exclusively goes after Democrats and Clinton. fine. i can also think that's a weird obsession. we probably won't agree, but that's what i mean.

pacino wrote:i think there's been some pretty good reporting by a lot of outlets, mostly print or internet. i think cable and network news has been a dumpster fire and editorial at some newspapers has been bunk.

pacino wrote:i think there's been some pretty good reporting by a lot of outlets, mostly print or internet. i think cable and network news has been a dumpster fire and editorial at some newspapers has been bunk.

Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1
Trump hits the African American female pastor who told him not to politicize his speech: "She was a nervous mess".

Doll Is Mine wrote:

Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1
Trump hits the African American female pastor who told him not to politicize his speech: "She was a nervous mess".

Doll Is Mine wrote:

pacino wrote:i think there's been some pretty good reporting by a lot of outlets, mostly print or internet. i think cable and network news has been a dumpster fire and editorial at some newspapers has been bunk.

In my opinion, the AP has taken the biggest hit. But yes, cable and network news has been horrible, minus a few exceptions. Rachel Maddow's show is still quality.

Daniel Dale @ddale8
Little Miss Flint met both Trump and Obama this year.

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

pacino wrote:i think there's been some pretty good reporting by a lot of outlets, mostly print or internet. i think cable and network news has been a dumpster fire and editorial at some newspapers has been bunk.

Editorials have almost always been crap, but yeah it's been pretty bad in recent years. Even the WaPo has gone off the deep end a bunch lately.

Trump says he would eliminate food safety regulations

JUburton wrote:

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:

pacino wrote:i think there's been some pretty good reporting by a lot of outlets, mostly print or internet. i think cable and network news has been a dumpster fire and editorial at some newspapers has been bunk.

Editorials have almost always been crap, but yeah it's been pretty bad in recent years. Even the WaPo has gone off the deep end a bunch lately.

WaPo has been much better than the NYT this cycle.

pacino wrote:vox interviews Greenwald on why he bashes Clinton so much, even if it is helping elect Donald Trump. he rejects the premise and does his usual misrepresentation of those opposed to his views.

he doesn't think journalists should be advocates when he most clearly is one himself.

Glenn Greenwald wrote:And it builds on itself, and it becomes more sanctimonious and convicted of its own righteousness, and it kind of leads to places that I think are unhealthy, even if the cause is justified.

Luzinski's Gut wrote:Gallup released a poll showing American belief in an objective press is at an all time low.

That's going to have more major ramifications that the next Presidency I think.

To better understand Assange’s recent intervention in the U.S. election, it helps to look more closely at a sort of manifesto he wrote as he was creating WikiLeaks. The same month that WikiLeaks.org went live, in December of 2006, Assange posted an essay on his blog, “Conspiracy as Governance,” in which he explained his theory that authoritarian regimes — and western political parties — maintain power by conspiring to keep the public in the dark, through “collaborative secrecy, working to the detriment of a population.” In order for the people to regain control of the political system, Assange argued, it is necessary to find ways of “throttling the conspiracy,” like disrupting the ability of the conspirators to communicate secretly.

With that in mind, Assange wrote, “let us consider two closely balanced and broadly conspiratorial power groupings, the US Democratic and Republican parties.” He continued, “Consider what would happen if one of these parties gave up their mobile phones, fax and email correspondence — let alone the computer systems which manage their subscribers, donors, budgets, polling, call centres and direct mail campaigns? They would immediately fall into an organisational stupor and lose to the other.”

A decade later, by releasing thousands of unredacted emails and voice-mail messages hacked from the Democratic Party — in a database that makes it easy to search for the social security numbers of donors, as well as their passport and credit card details — Assange was finally able to put his theory into practice, by attempting to throttle one of the “conspiratorial power groupings” that selects candidates to run the U.S. government.

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:Hahahahahaha

Daniel Dale @ddale8
Little Miss Flint met both Trump and Obama this year.