drsmooth wrote:but first let me tell you that it's principally about the ravings of fearful, cowardly, racist old white male farts who no longer can get it up and, in their death throes, are squealing about their diminished capacities.

TomatoPie wrote:

drsmooth wrote:but first let me tell you that it's principally about the ravings of fearful, cowardly, racist old white male farts who no longer can get it up and, in their death throes, are squealing about their diminished capacities.

Upon Further Review - it may be a mistake to put all the blame the leftwing zealots forcing PC postures on rattled blue collar people, or on race-baiting right-wingers yearning to take Murka back to 1950.

It's both. The left put these people on a cultural island, and the right embraces their anger.

You have to be both stupid and frustrated to embrace Trump or his Euro-equivalent nasties.

It really is 1968 again - and people feel cheated and also feel outraged by a perception that their societal standards are disintegrating. There's a lot of signals - and the left is blind to all of them. "If you don't believe what we believe, you're a racist redneck."

SK790 wrote:

td11 wrote:http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2016/03/trump-inspired-classism

If you spend time in hardscrabble, white upstate New York, or eastern Kentucky, or my own native West Texas, and you take an honest look at the welfare dependency, the drug and alcohol addiction, the family anarchy — which is to say, the whelping of human children with all the respect and wisdom of a stray dog — you will come to an awful realization. It wasn’t Beijing. It wasn’t even Washington, as bad as Washington can be. It wasn’t immigrants from Mexico, excessive and problematic as our current immigration levels are. It wasn’t any of that.

Nothing happened to them. There wasn’t some awful disaster. There wasn’t a war or a famine or a plague or a foreign occupation. Even the economic changes of the past few decades do very little to explain the dysfunction and negligence — and the incomprehensible malice — of poor white America. So the gypsum business in Garbutt ain’t what it used to be. There is more to life in the 21st century than wallboard and cheap sentimentality about how the Man closed the factories down.

The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale communities is that they deserve to die. Economically, they are negative assets. Morally, they are indefensible. Forget all your cheap theatrical Bruce Springsteen crap. Forget your sanctimony about struggling Rust Belt factory towns and your conspiracy theories about the wily Orientals stealing our jobs. Forget your goddamned gypsum, and, if he has a problem with that, forget Ed Burke, too. The white American underclass is in thrall to a vicious, selfish culture whose main products are misery and used heroin needles. Donald Trump’s speeches make them feel good. So does OxyContin.

Amazing... Conservative columnist Kevin Williamson eviscerating a beloved and highly courted part of the republican base. And it's actually way more hateful than I could imagine a liberal be about the same group of people. I guess it's about time we see some establishment republicans lash out at their own in trying to explain and distance themselves from the trump phenomenon

Big surprise, Republican establishment despises the poor uninformed voters they've counted on/lied to for years.

TomatoPie wrote:It really is 1968 again - and people feel cheated and also feel outraged by a perception that their societal standards are disintegrating. There's a lot of signals - and the left is blind to all of them. "If you don't believe what we believe, you're a racist redneck."

MoBettle wrote:It's fairly frustrating how what is happening to trump gets reduced to his supporters being racist/xenophobic ect. Don't get me wrong it's disproportionately true but that's a symptom not the cause (they don't like the way they think the government has treated they themselves) and reducing it to it being about hate rather than (misguided?) self interest is wrong and sort of dehumanizing in a way.

That being said, people that act like all of the PC stuff is what started all of this, and that the PC stuff isn't a response to a long history of discrimination in this country is pretty ignorant.

pacino wrote:Turkey cracks down on the PKK after the Ankara bombing

No group said it carried out the attack but PM Ahmet Davutoglu said evidence "almost certainly" pointed towards the banned PKK Kurdish separatist group.

They won't give us that evidence, however. It also employed curfews in Kurdish-majority towns. They continue to go after the YPG, despite them being an American ally and not a terrorist group. sigh

drsmooth wrote:

TomatoPie wrote:It really is 1968 again - and people feel cheated and also feel outraged by a perception that their societal standards are disintegrating. There's a lot of signals - and the left is blind to all of them. "If you don't believe what we believe, you're a racist redneck."

Their "societal standards" as you disingenuously refer to them, were then, and are now, noxious.

TomatoPie wrote:When every cop is a criminal, and all the sinners saints - it makes simple folk uneasy.

drsmooth wrote:

TomatoPie wrote:When every cop is a criminal, and all the sinners saints - it makes simple folk uneasy.

no one - NO ONE - is now saying, or has said, that every cop is a criminal. ever.

But go ahead, congratulate yourself for "understanding" (coddling) these #$!&@

EDIT: & yeah I get your musical reference. whatever

TomatoPie wrote:

drsmooth wrote:

TomatoPie wrote:It really is 1968 again - and people feel cheated and also feel outraged by a perception that their societal standards are disintegrating. There's a lot of signals - and the left is blind to all of them. "If you don't believe what we believe, you're a racist redneck."

Their "societal standards" as you disingenuously refer to them, were then, and are now, noxious.

That's obvious.

What's not obvious - to the left - is how the pedulum swings too far in both directions.

When every cop is a criminal, and all the sinners saints - it makes simple folk uneasy.

The argument is not so simple that the left created this nor the GOP has been hateful bigots all along. It's not either/or. It's both.

drsmooth wrote:
But go ahead, congratulate yourself for "understanding" (coddling) these #$!&@

Woody wrote:People really don't understand what the First Amendment protects, do they

TomatoPie wrote:

drsmooth wrote:

TomatoPie wrote:When every cop is a criminal, and all the sinners saints - it makes simple folk uneasy.

no one - NO ONE - is now saying, or has said, that every cop is a criminal. ever.

But go ahead, congratulate yourself for "understanding" (coddling) these #$!&@

EDIT: & yeah I get your musical reference. whatever

Awww I thought I had ya with the clever lyric cite.

You can't be blind to the knee-jerk reaction every time a black man is shot by a non-black cop. It's good that we're weeding out the bad cops - it's not good that we celebrate criminals as heroes or victims. That's the pendulum thing. I accept that the left is blind to how ordinary people react to that - but you, Doc, are a bit more perceptive.

But for those who would support Der Furhious, you need a better strategy than talking down to them. White trash are people too.

TomatoPie wrote:You can't be blind to the knee-jerk reaction every time a black man is shot by a non-black cop. It's good that we're weeding out the bad cops - it's not good that we celebrate criminals as heroes or victims. That's the pendulum thing.

slugsrbad wrote:

Woody wrote:People really don't understand what the First Amendment protects, do they

Nor who the protection is from.

drsmooth wrote:Gonna have to disagree, Moz & td. I come from that upstate NY the guy's talking about. He's merely trying to talk plainly. Too much of what passes for a "culture" in the places he's talking about IS vicious, it IS selfish - and also virulently racist and misogynist - and it does deserve to die. It's not Pollock's The Devil All the Time, but it's the devil plenty enough of the time.

And there's little, maybe nothing, to redeem it. But for reasons probably too nuanced to tease out in this kind of forum, it can't or won't die. Not fast enough.