Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby BigEd76 » Wed Mar 02, 2016 01:26:54

Looks like Vermont goes to Trump

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Mar 02, 2016 01:29:06

Jesse Ventura is deciding between Trump and Bernie. Because of course he is.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby drsmooth » Wed Mar 02, 2016 01:32:04

Bernie's hands are bigger
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby momadance » Wed Mar 02, 2016 01:34:56

pacino wrote:Jesse Ventura is deciding between Trump and Bernie. Because of course he is.


If Bernie loses, he's running for president!

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Mar 02, 2016 01:48:22

pacino wrote:Jesse Ventura is deciding between Trump and Bernie. Because of course he is.

My Bernie loving sister hated me bringing up before NH how many people were deciding between Bernie and Trump. A great many people in this fair land are pretty dumb and "he'll shake things up" is a sufficient reason to support someone as if 'change' is an end in and of itself regardless of what aspects of the system you're trying to change and what you're trying to change them to.

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby swishnicholson » Wed Mar 02, 2016 02:04:32

With five districts reporting in Alaska, Trump has 33.6% of the vote. Cruz has 31.1%., according to the Alaska Dispatch news.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Mar 02, 2016 02:22:13

swishnicholson wrote:With five districts reporting in Alaska, Trump has 33.6% of the vote. Cruz has 31.1%., according to the Alaska Dispatch news.

With 19% of the vote in Donald Trump is leading with 35.1% of the votes. He has 552 votes (I think these are votes and not caucus delegates...if they're caucus delegates I will dial back my mockery).

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Doll Is Mine » Wed Mar 02, 2016 02:45:52

Other than Minnesota and Virginia, did Rubio finish TOP 2 in any other state tonight?

That's a lot of third place finishes.

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby philliesphhan » Wed Mar 02, 2016 04:50:39

Doll Is Mine wrote:So many excuses for why Rubio isn't winning. It's John Kasich's fault and before that Jeb Bush's. We were told that Rubio would have a better chance if Jeb and Christie dropped out. They did. Rubio won one state tonight. One.

Here's the truth: Rubio has been exposed. People know he's a puppet for billionaire donors and the Republican establishment who gets fed his lines and recites them like a robot. He also can't stand his job of legislating in the Senate.


I don't understand why the GOP likes him so much. He's a charisma vacuum. I hate nearly 100% of what Cruz has to say, but he at least is somewhat passionate about it.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed Mar 02, 2016 06:09:38

So the top 2 candidates in terms of delegates right now are Trump and Cruz, two bigots with serious authoritarian personality issues.

What does this say about people voting in Republican primaries? There were other options, but they picked the two biggest assholes available.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby traderdave » Wed Mar 02, 2016 07:18:38

So I was too tired to change the TV station last night and ended up watching about 30 minutes of Trump's War and Peace table read (maybe it just seemed like 30 minutes). I realize he was mostly taking questions but it is remarkable just how little he actually says when he talks. I have to laugh every time he refers to himself as non-politician; he is every bit the politician with his ability to answer a question without, ya know, answering the question and his pandering to whichever audience he is speaking to. Ted Cruz is Satan himself but at least he seems to be standing on his principles.

Trump is charismatic though, I have to give him that. Still, I can think of no realistic circumstance that would cause me to vote for him. I hate, and I never use that word lightly, that I am going to have to actively support Hillary Clinton because the GOP is giving me NO realistic alternative.

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby TomatoPie » Wed Mar 02, 2016 07:26:09

drsmooth wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
MoBettle wrote:So I get that people would be upset over it being decided at the convention and not at the polls but I do think it's a legitimate point that no one votes in the primaries and regardless 60+% of the people that do aren't voting for Trump.

I really don't understand the concern about a convention, at least compared to a Trump nomination. A convention will be messy and there will be hurt feelings, but the result will (probably) be something most Republicans can live with. A Trump nomination is catastrophic.



A brokered R convention would be a sensational national political education opportunity, cleansing for Rs without dooming the party-as-enterprise - kinda like a forest fire - while absolutely Presidency clinching for Ds. A Drumpf nomination would do the same for Rs as far as POTUS 2016, with no redeeming benefits for Rs or for America.

For Rs, then, Election 2016 is the Year of Eating Your Peas


I have some real hope for a brokered convention. I don't care if they pick Nixon's corpse. Anybody but Drumpf.

Mitt Romney? Who's on the GOP White Horse?

I think Rubio and Cruz are doing us a solid by hanging on to enough votes to deny an outright to thimbledickf.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby drsmooth » Wed Mar 02, 2016 08:38:46

traderdave wrote:
Trump is charismatic though, I have to give him that.


drumpf is repulsive in every way I can imagine people assessing him on. There is not an atomic particle of charisma orbiting anywhere near his being.

If I were forced to have a beer with him I'd break a full bottle over his head, just to watch him dry.

Help me understand what you find "charismatic" about him? Or how you define charisma?
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby JUburton » Wed Mar 02, 2016 08:41:51

He's a great public speaker. Which makes sense. However nothing he says when he is exhibiting that public speaking makes sense.

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Mar 02, 2016 08:51:54

FiveThirtyEight sez it's Clinton and it's easy to see why:
We’ve now seen 15 states vote in the Democratic contest, and it’s clear that Clinton’s coalition is wider than Sanders’s. Sanders has won only in relatively small states where black voters make up less than 10 percent of the population. That’s not going to work this year when black voters are likely to make up more than 20 percent of Democratic primary voters nationwide.

On Tuesday, we saw why. As she did in Nevada and South Carolina, Clinton won huge margins of black voters. Her worst performance was in Oklahoma, where 71 percent of black voters in the Democratic primary chose her. In Alabama, she won 93 percent of black voters on her way to winning 78 percent of Democrats overall. Clinton took no less than 64 percent of the overall vote in the southern states she won.

It wasn’t just just black voters, either: Clinton dominated with Hispanics in Texas. There had been some questions about how Hispanics voted in Nevada, but there was little doubt in Texas. The exit poll showed Clinton with a 42 percentage point win among Hispanics, about the margin she won in counties such as Hidalgo, where Hispanics make up 91 percent of the population. Those results bode well for Clinton in states such as Arizona, California, Florida and New Mexico.
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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Wed Mar 02, 2016 08:59:46

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby drsmooth » Wed Mar 02, 2016 09:04:21

JUburton wrote:He's a great public speaker


no. No, he manifestly is not. He speaks, in public. Anyone can do that. his slovenly appearance, indifference to preparation, revolting physical tics, pig faced pouty preening, jump-cut delivery, and overall disgusting presence makes him everything but a "great" public speaker. I have to resist throwing things at my teevee within 15 seconds of his face or merely his voice blaring into view.

His "public speaking" mannerisms remind me nothing so much as of this guy:

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby JUburton » Wed Mar 02, 2016 09:08:49

Public speaker, showman, whatever you want to call it. If you can get a large number of people to buy the shit content you're selling, you're doing something right.

He's obviously not one in the traditional sense, like Obama is. When I watch him I'm probably almost as disgusted as you are but I certainly can see how that affect appeals to the uninformed.

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby Rockinghorse » Wed Mar 02, 2016 09:18:04

jerseyhoya wrote:[A great many people in this fair land are pretty dumb and "he'll shake things up" is a sufficient reason to support someone as if 'change' is an end in and of itself regardless of what aspects of the system you're trying to change and what you're trying to change them to.


I assume there is research on why people vote the way they do. I wonder which of these groups is larger:

A. People who vote just based on a general feeling like "America should be a winner, it doesn't feel like we're winning right now." So they go with the most extreme candidate who actually gets national media coverage (I'm surprised Bernie accomplished this as well as he did).

B. Eligible voters who do know something about the issues but stay home out of hopelessness and frustration with the system.

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Re: Brokered Convention is the GOPs Trump Card: Politics

Postby SK790 » Wed Mar 02, 2016 09:19:12

drsmooth wrote:
JUburton wrote:He's a great public speaker


no. No, he manifestly is not. He speaks, in public. Anyone can do that. his slovenly appearance, indifference to preparation, revolting physical tics, pig faced pouty preening, jump-cut delivery, and overall disgusting presence makes him everything but a "great" public speaker. I have to resist throwing things at my teevee within 15 seconds of his face or merely his voice blaring into view.

His "public speaking" mannerisms remind me nothing so much as of this guy:

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As someone who has taken broadcast classes and has to basically think about communicating well at my job, I can agree. He speaks to people like he's addressing children. Short sentences, simple cadence, no nuance; why people find that appealing is beyond me.
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