speaking of Vice, can anyone sum up the Molly Crabapple refugee false rape accusation scandal for me? the communists in my feed have been blowing their stack over it for weeks but they're pretty hard to understand

btw, this is how few votes we are actuallydealing with in Iowa:

The former Pennsylvania senator who won the 2012 caucuses saw his single-digit public poll tallies reflected in the night's results. He won support from 1 percent of GOP voters, or 1,783 votes.

That put him at the back of the pack, trailing all but the 119 votes for "other" and the 12 votes for little-known former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore.

Adding insult to injury, MSNBC talked to a Santorum precinct captain who said he failed to vote for Santorum at his own caucus site.

Clinton did really well with older Dem voters. As we all know, they are the ones who vote. Great showing by Sanders but I just don't think it is something that can last.

CalvinBall wrote:Clinton did really well with older Dem voters. As we all know, they are the ones who vote. Great showing by Sanders but I just don't think it is something that can last.

Except, you know, they weren't the only ones who voted. The question mark with Sanders was whether he'd be Howard Dean or Obama, and the reality was he was much closer to Obama than Dean--his supporters turned out.

Indeed, while I have not been paying a bunch of attention to on the ground campaign tactics, it does look like the Bernie people have their act together. The one huge and probably decisive thing in Hillary's favor is that she has the resources to continue her ground game as the playing field gets much bigger than Iowa. On the other hand, I fear that's she's still enamored with the old school Dem consultant class that got her beat by a black dude and managed to lose the race for Gore in 2000--a team so bad they made Rove look smart. Remember, these are the people who thought Mark Penn was smart. (And they need to be distinguished from the Clinton 1992 team, because Carville and Stephanopolous are talented, if not quite as smart as they think they are.

Her fighting for you ad is pretty good though, so maybe her team is better than I think.

pacino wrote:btw, this is how few votes we are actuallydealing with in Iowa:

The former Pennsylvania senator who won the 2012 caucuses saw his single-digit public poll tallies reflected in the night's results. He won support from 1 percent of GOP voters, or 1,783 votes.

That put him at the back of the pack, trailing all but the 119 votes for "other" and the 12 votes for little-known former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore.

Adding insult to injury, MSNBC talked to a Santorum precinct captain who said he failed to vote for Santorum at his own caucus site.

It's 30 delegates out of 2470. It's basically worth as much overall as the first two games of the MLB season (roughly 1.2% of the overall total). Yet we get non-stop breathless coverage analyzing the difference between "winning" 9 delegates versus 8. And IIRC, the Iowa delegates aren't even irrevocably pledged.

They weren't the only people who voted, but they were the majority. If she were just able to make it 70/30 instead of 80/20 for the younger vote split she wins healthily. She just can't capture the young vote.

Also, the voters become less white going forward. Bernie isn't going to pull Obama numbers with them.

maybe a couple ads reminding everyone how responsible the Clintons are for mass incarceration would do the trick

I have to say though, the dumbest people in politics today by far are the ones writing big checks to fund the Jeb Bush campaign. I'd think Jeb's mailing list is a gold mine.

Step 1: Get Jeb's donor list.
Step 2: ? (I mean, whatever--pyramid schemes, copper bracelets, tarot readings)
Step 3: Profit.

Bernie' supporters are turning off a lot of poc activists, fwiw

Attrition of the ankle biters

Good to see Huck go. Carly has become irrelevant in this race.

Carson is drawing votes from reasonable people, votes that could be going to Rube. Ready for him to exit.

When Christie drops, who gets his votes? Other angry dooshbags like Trump and Cruz? Not sure.

I'd love to see Jeb leave, but I think he sticks for a long time with his big war chest.

Still hoping for a Rubio/Kasich Flarder/Ohio ticket.

CalvinBall wrote:The coronation of rubio in this thread is a bit premature. He is polling in the single digits in New Hampshire. Primaries are different than these weird ass caucuses.

To piggy back off of this, anyone else think caucuses are stupid as fuck?

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:O'Malley and Huckabee both dropped out

RIP Mario O'Malley

SK790 wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:The coronation of rubio in this thread is a bit premature. He is polling in the single digits in New Hampshire. Primaries are different than these weird ass caucuses.

To piggy back off of this, anyone else think caucuses are stupid as #$!&@?

I think Pacino has made his views on caucuses pretty clear.

traderdave wrote:

SK790 wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:The coronation of rubio in this thread is a bit premature. He is polling in the single digits in New Hampshire. Primaries are different than these weird ass caucuses.

To piggy back off of this, anyone else think caucuses are stupid as #$!&@?

I think Pacino has made his views on caucuses pretty clear.

i'm too tired to write more about this, i wish i could because i got a lot to say(BSG collective sighs a breath of relief), but i like how we do it here in Washington. You get a voter guide and your ballot 6 weeks in advance and you have time to read up about the candidates and you can submit your ballot at your leisure. This whole show up at a place and then stand around the candidate you like thing seems really fucking arcane by comparison.

Trump spinning he came in second spending barely any money. He's going to be awesome after New Hampshire.

TomatoPie wrote: Carly has become irrelevant in this race.

Her "irrelevance" is the irrelevance of the R party on the national stage, apoplectically against all manner of things and only for obviously insane things ("let's make the military 10X its present size, and of course not pay for any of it!"; "death to immigrants!")

drsmooth wrote:

TomatoPie wrote: Carly has become irrelevant in this race.

Her "irrelevance" is the irrelevance of the R party on the national stage, apoplectically against all manner of things and only for obviously insane things ("let's make the military 10X its present size, and of course not pay for any of it!"; "death to immigrants!")

Death to Planned Parenthood!!!!!!!!!! Aborsionz!!

Clintons are the pivot masters

Bill on in front of a crowd in NH, first words out of his mouth are about how wealth/income inequality is a big & increasing problem that HRC by implication will do something about