Syrias as a heart attack: Electronic projects and politics

by **SK790** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 10:58:17

drsmooth wrote:The Pauls' scoring illustrates the shortcomings of a scoring system of this kind for forecasting how an individual might behave if handed the controls.

how so?

by **jerseyhoya** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 11:34:45

CalvinBall wrote:really need a jh post on this

I'm quite sad. He did I think about as well as one could have maintaining the conference, and he's a good, principled man who was able to accomplish some good things and prevent lots of bad things.

It seems likely McCarthy will be the next speaker, and he's certainly more of a squish than Boehner is. The tea party/freedom caucus people constantly shoot themselves in the foot yelling at shiny objects without anything resembling a long term strategy. I guess the idea is they put the fear of god into one speaker so now this one needs to do what they say, and McCarthy is more of a communicator so perhaps there will be more buy in from the bombthrowing types. But it doesn't seem they necessarily had the votes to overthrow Boehner, and while the angry contingent do have enough votes to be annoying, they can't make a majority within the caucus so they're mostly stuck with people they'll call sellouts in leadership. Of course this is what a lot of them want because it's more fun to be pure and a True Conservative when you can blame the GOP sellouts for you not passing your goals when the reality of not having 60 votes in the Senate or a GOP president means you're not going to pass what you want anyway.

Sounds like post Pope thing he decided he was sick of the constant cycle of fighting to scrape a majority and wants to go off and drink wine all day while golfing. On his way out the door, Boehner has complete freedom to push through debt ceiling/budget/highway bill etc. with Dem votes too so they'll get the short term pleasure of claiming a scalp while losing on all of their policy priorities.

by **drsmooth** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 11:56:20

SK790 wrote:
drsmooth wrote:The Pauls' scoring illustrates the shortcomings of a scoring system of this kind for forecasting how an individual might behave if handed the controls.

how so?

Note the wide gap between their "public statements" and "actual votes" factor points. Only they have gaps so wide. Don't know what it tells you, but it tells me the 'therefore this person is X degrees conservative" formula needs some tweaking, because it doesn't seem to accurately reflect their flavor of 'conservative'.

I do like how crazy that formulation makes Cruz look

by **drsmooth** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 12:02:30

jerseyhoya wrote:...Of course this is what a lot of them want because it's more fun to be pure and a True Conservative when you can blame the GOP sellouts for you not passing your goals when the reality of not having 60 votes in the Senate or a GOP president means you're not going to pass what you want anyway.

Sounds like post Pope thing he decided he was sick of the constant cycle of fighting to scrape a majority and wants to go off and drink wine all day while golfing. On his way out the door, Boehner has complete freedom to push through debt ceiling/budget/highway bill etc. with Dem votes too so they'll get the short term pleasure of claiming a scalp while losing on all of their policy priorities.

What it is is, those crazies are effectively opposed to the activity of governing (despite being elected government officials), and their "moderate" brethren, who may, some days, kinda sorta be ok with governing, are too spineless to tell them to sit down and shut up, the way their mostly as-spineless predecessors of not much more than a generation ago were willing to do.

In sum, your party is finished with governing. It's irrelevant for anything other than fundraising. It's kinda like a confederation of televangelists at this point. Who knows, a wretch prebus may be able to keep that infomercial running a few more election cycles. But it feels like there's not much future in it

by **Monkeyboy** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 12:05:39

So, according to that chart, the push to the right in this country over the past 35 years is roughly equivalent to the difference between John Mccain and Rick Perry.

by **Soren** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 12:06:53

Monkeyboy wrote:So, according to that chart, the push to the right in this country over the past 35 years is roughly equivalent to the difference between John Mccain and Rick Perry.

in terms of a metric contrived by 538 yes

by **CalvinBall** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 12:10:27

maybe david brat will continue his rapid rise to stardom!

by **Bucky** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 12:10:47

i've a dreadful feeling that the boehner situation will end up as a textbook "be careful what you wish for" scenario.

also, am I reading JH's prose correctly in that he's staying on through the 'shutdown' situation?

by **Monkeyboy** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 12:13:08

Soren wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:So, according to that chart, the push to the right in this country over the past 35 years is roughly equivalent to the difference between John Mccain and Rick Perry.

in terms of a metric contrived by 538 yes

yes, that's why I said "according to the chart."

I have no idea how accurate it is, I just thought it was interesting. I have to say that it feels correct.

by **pacino** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 12:51:03

private enterprise can't figure out how to separate people from their money in NJ:

The company, Northstar New Jersey, fell $107 million short of its projections in the last fiscal year and $55 million short the year before, the first partial year on the contract

Gov. Chris Christie signed the deal with Northstar in July 2013, making New Jersey the third state to hire a private firm to help run its lottery in hopes of boosting sales. Under the contract, Northstar took over sales and marketing.

It paid the state $120 million up front and promised to generate at least $1.42 billion more over the next 15 years. The group gets to keep a share of the increased profits.

Schaer similarly called for a review of the privatization contract last November after it was first reported the company missed its projections and had secured a contract amendment reducing its revenue goals four months into the deal.

The lottery is New Jersey's fourth-largest revenue source, generating money for scholarships, psychiatric hospitals, centers for the developmentally disabled and homes for disabled veterans.

Christopher Santarelli, a spokesman for the Treasury Department, said Northstar "is held accountable for its performance." The company was penalized in 2014 and will be again in 2015 if it misses its financial targets.

by **Monkeyboy** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 12:59:25

So adding a middle man to a process means less profits? You could knock me over with a feather.

by **TomatoPie** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 13:56:02

drsmooth wrote:imagine a goober like, say, Jeb Hensarling as House Speaker. What a travesty.

The Republican party may as well fold now.

The GOP is not a very useful alternative to the Dems. They may actually be worse at this point.

by **Soren** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 14:12:15

by **drsmooth** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 15:28:03

TomatoPie wrote:
drsmooth wrote:imagine a goober like, say, Jeb Hensarling as House Speaker. What a travesty.

The Republican party may as well fold now.

The GOP is not a very useful alternative to the Dems. They may actually be worse at this point.

Let me be more clear. It's not a matter of an alternative. The 'enterprise' calling itself the Republican party has effectively removed "actually governing" from its definition of what the individuals it puts forth as exemplars ought to be capable of, or at least interested in.

Whatever it IS about, it is not about governance. That's a distinct problem for a mob that plays a role in cultivating and selecting people for roles in governance.

by **The Crimson Cyclone** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 15:40:49

years of tacitly accepting bigotry and bringing in fundamentalists has brought them to this

by **TomatoPie** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 16:04:58

drsmooth wrote:
TomatoPie wrote:
drsmooth wrote:imagine a goober like, say, Jeb Hensarling as House Speaker. What a travesty.

The Republican party may as well fold now.

The GOP is not a very useful alternative to the Dems. They may actually be worse at this point.

Let me be more clear. It's not a matter of an alternative. The 'enterprise' calling itself the Republican party has effectively removed "actually governing" from its definition of what the individuals it puts forth as exemplars ought to be capable of, or at least interested in.

Whatever it IS about, it is not about governance. That's a distinct problem for a mob that plays a role in cultivating and selecting people for roles in governance.

Well, there is plenty of "governing" from the left that is worse than no governing.

Now sure, that's a crappy choice: nongoverning vs bad governing. Still better than Greece or Syria, most days, though

by **pacino** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 16:20:39

Syrian government is now bombing its own city of Palmyra to root out ISIL

by **drsmooth** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 16:28:31

TomatoPie wrote:Still better than Greece or Syria, most days

there's a national motto for us all

I've chosen not to reply to your false equivalency; it read like you really didn't have your heart in it

by **Monkeyboy** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 16:38:52

pacino wrote:Syrian government is now bombing its own city of Palmyra to root out ISIL

That's probably taking a toll on Palmyra.

/cross thread bad joke

by **Bucky** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 16:55:44

but it's only a nickel!

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