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Re: Trump problem? Combover here and say it to my face! poli

Unread postby pacino » Thu Aug 13, 2015 09:58:39

the GOP pollster Rasmussen:

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds Trump with 17% support among Likely Republican Primary Voters, down from 26% in late July before the first GOP debate. Senator Marco Rubio and former Florida Governor Jeb Bush are in second place with 10% support each, in a near tie with Fiorina and Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker who both earn nine percent (9%) of the likely primary vote.

Next with eight percent (8%) come retired neurologist Dr. Ben Carson and Senator Ted Cruz at seven percent (7%)

The national telephone survey of 651 Likely Republican Primary Voters was conducted by Rasmussen Reports on August 9-10, 2015. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Fieldwork for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.

Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, who ran for the GOP nomination unsuccessfully in 2012, also lost ground among likely primary voters, falling from seven percent (7%) support to three percent (3%) now.

Interestingly, slightly more voters are now unsure about their vote. Seven percent (7%) were undecided a week-and-a-half ago. Now after the debates and the resulting news coverage, 11% feel that way.

The latest survey finds the rest of the Republican hopefuls and their level of GOP primary voter support little changed: New Jersey Governor Chris Christie (4%); Ohio Governor John Kasich (4%); Senator Rand Paul (4%), and all with one percent (1%) support each – former Virginia Governor Jim Gilmore, Senator Lindsey Graham, Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal, former Texas Governor Rick Perry and former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum. Former New York Governor George Pataki earned 0% support statistically in this survey
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Unread postby Monkeyboy » Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:19:10

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:probably the best "ex-president" we've had as far as the amount of worldwide diplomacy and charity that he does


I've done Habitat for Humanity the last three years as our spring cultural trip and raised funds during the school year for it. Great charity and he was instrumental in helping them make it big.
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Re: Trump problem? Combover here and say it to my face! poli

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:21:06

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:


I want to move to canada just to vote for him.
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Re: Trump problem? Combover here and say it to my face! poli

Unread postby drsmooth » Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:25:34

jerseyhoya wrote:I guess the ... GOP getting their clock cleaned in a presidential election would be highly unlikely to imperil the party's existence moving forward...the GOP nominating Cruz (or god forbid Trump) would open the door to a potentially legit third party run that would appeal to a lot of regular party voters that might have lasting effects as well.


What the GOP has on display right now is its essential irrelevance, certainly with respect to candidates for the office of President.

I'll grant that that may not sink in with many of its purported adherents.

Could a headless Party of No thrive? My guess would be why not
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Re: Trump problem? Combover here and say it to my face! poli

Unread postby The Crimson Cyclone » Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:33:23

Monkeyboy wrote:
The Crimson Cyclone wrote:probably the best "ex-president" we've had as far as the amount of worldwide diplomacy and charity that he does


I've done Habitat for Humanity the last three years as our spring cultural trip and raised funds during the school year for it. Great charity and he was instrumental in helping them make it big.


and just one accomplishment on the list of many

he was huge in overseeing fairness of elections in some troubled countries
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Re: Trump problem? Combover here and say it to my face! poli

Unread postby pacino » Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:13:05

drsmooth wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:I guess the ... GOP getting their clock cleaned in a presidential election would be highly unlikely to imperil the party's existence moving forward...the GOP nominating Cruz (or god forbid Trump) would open the door to a potentially legit third party run that would appeal to a lot of regular party voters that might have lasting effects as well.


What the GOP has on display right now is its essential irrelevance, certainly with respect to candidates for the office of President.

I'll grant that that may not sink in with many of its purported adherents.

Could a headless Party of No thrive? My guess would be why not

the best Republican people running for President are Democratic also-rans like Jim Webb and Lincoln Chafee
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Unread postby jerseyhoya » Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:55:12

They aren't the best Republican people at anything except being Democrats.

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Re: Trump problem? Combover here and say it to my face! poli

Unread postby pacino » Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:56:42

Only because your party went crazy
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Unread postby jerseyhoya » Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:05:56

Another fun thing about politics is when partisans pine for days gone by when the opposing party was more reasonable and less awful. Democrats seem to like to talk about Reagan working with Tip O'Neill or GHWB's term or whatever. Republicans love unfavorably comparing Obama to Clinton, and really love talking about JFK the cold warrior and tax cutter. Meanwhile in the moment during those presidencies, Democrats and Republicans said terrible things about that present office holder and wished he was more reasonable and less awful like some forebear whose time in office was far enough past that the day to day petty squabbles had been forgotten.

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Re: Trump problem? Combover here and say it to my face! poli

Unread postby pacino » Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:35:49

our politics has gone further rightward over the past 30 years to the point that people who were solidly in the Republican party are now moderate Democrats. that has nothing to do with rhetoric.
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Unread postby The Crimson Cyclone » Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:36:45

Eisenhower looks like a socialist now, amirite?
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Re: Trump problem? Combover here and say it to my face! poli

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Thu Aug 13, 2015 13:30:12

pacino wrote:our politics has gone further rightward over the past 30 years to the point that people who were solidly in the Republican party are now moderate Democrats. that has nothing to do with rhetoric.

That's not really true. What you're mostly talking about is partisan sorting where the old liberal Republicans have become moderate Dems (while ignoring how conservative Democrats have become Republicans). Our parties used to be significantly less ideologically coherent.

The GOP has by most measures moved to the right (in large part due to the new ideological coherence), and Democrats have moved to the left (though perhaps less than Republicans have moved right). The difficulty in measuring these things though is what counts as moving left or moving right over time, and I'm not sure most of the tools we have to look at this do a very good job.

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Unread postby pacino » Thu Aug 13, 2015 13:44:39

until recently i don't think very much 'left' has been going on in this country as far as actual political movements go
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Unread postby TomatoPie » Thu Aug 13, 2015 13:57:43

pacino wrote:our politics has gone further rightward over the past 30 years to the point that people who were solidly in the Republican party are now moderate Democrats. that has nothing to do with rhetoric.


Interesting POV.

I see a steady move to the left.

On social issues, this is mostly a good thing. It's all the best stuff about being "progressive." Leftists are, mostly, social libertarians.

On fiscal issues, we're going the wrong way. We continue to shift Americans from working class to dependent class. The growth of government outstrips everything else. The GOP really has stopped trying to contain government, making only occasional token efforts to slow its expansion. GWB was as bad as it gets on that count. This is all very chic and Euro, but it's not sustainable.
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Unread postby TomatoPie » Thu Aug 13, 2015 14:04:13

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Re: Trump problem? Combover here and say it to my face! poli

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Thu Aug 13, 2015 14:14:03

pacino wrote:until recently i don't think very much 'left' has been going on in this country as far as actual political movements go

TomatoPie wrote:I see a steady move to the left.

jerseyhoya wrote:The difficulty in measuring these things though is what counts as moving left or moving right over time, and I'm not sure most of the tools we have to look at this do a very good job.

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Re: Trump problem? Combover here and say it to my face! poli

Unread postby pacino » Thu Aug 13, 2015 15:10:28

on a different note, some Bernie supporters are now saying that GEORGE SOROS IS FUNDING #BLM ON DIRECTION FROM THE CLINTONS. they're calling a movement created around the idea that black people don't want to die at hte hands of the police astroturf.

omg, how do they fall for that shit? I like Bernie but some of his fans have got to GO
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Unread postby Phan In Phlorida » Thu Aug 13, 2015 15:43:20

A new witness has come forward in the death of a 19-year-old fraternity pledge at Clemson University, leading his family to believe they may finally be closer to knowing what happened to Tucker Hipps before he died.

An exhibit attached to a legal motion seeking to update the lawsuits against Sigma Phi Epsilon Fraternity, three of its members, and Clemson University alleges that Hipps was forced to walk along a narrow bridge railing in a hazing incident before he fell to his death.

For months, the criminal investigation into his death has been at a standstill. Hipp's family believes the university, the fraternity and three of its members are to blame for the death, and tried to cover it up after the fact. According to the suit, no one tried to rescue him, they waited at least three hours before looking for him, and didn't call campus police for help until seven hours later. The lawsuit also alleges the three fraternity brothers stalled Hipps' girlfriend when she asked where he was; they said Hipps had been spotted in the library.

One of the fraternity brothers named in the suit is Samuel Carney, son of U.S. Rep. John Carney, D-Delaware. He is accused of organizing the hazing event and the subsequent coverup.
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Unread postby jamiethekiller » Thu Aug 13, 2015 15:45:59

can't wait for these political conversations with my mom this next few weeks; re Carney rere Delaware

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Re: Trump problem? Combover here and say it to my face! poli

Unread postby Werthless » Thu Aug 13, 2015 16:36:00

pacino wrote:our politics has gone further rightward over the past 30 years to the point that people who were solidly in the Republican party are now moderate Democrats. that has nothing to do with rhetoric.

This is interesting to me, because some of the biggest political policy wins in recent history have been won by liberals. Conservatives have won some of the policy wars over income taxes, but liberals have successfully moved the ball forward on healthcare and gay marriage.

The people that may have opposed gay marriage 20 years ago, and now would consider themselves Democrats, are not necessarily evidence of the country shifting right. Unless you mean that the conservative values of liberty and individual rights (ie. they're not hurting you by getting married) are being applied more often to "win" the liberal side of the argument on social issues. Is that how you're interpreting the rightward shift?

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